Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Israel Hate is Anti-Semitism [View all]holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... if Israel annexes the settlements. They have not chose to to do that. They may, in the future, if the PA just refused to negotiate. But, the most likely scenario is, they will continue to be there to pressure Fatah to the table and the final agreement will be some border settlements become annexed to Israel in exchange for equal portions of land swapped to the Palestinian State.
No one is arguing that it's Israel because no one owned it anyway -- I'm showing it's a lie to show that as "Palestinian Land" when it never was. You might as well have labeled it "Jewish Land" because there were Jews living on it as well.
It's true, if you go somewhere and take someone's land, you can get shot -- Arab armies tries to invade Israel three times since 1948 and got shot at until they left. There has been a lot of shooting over this land -- eventually, it has to stop. The entire reason the borders are where they are now is that Arabs have been shooting at Israelis since 1948 and every time they do, they lose more land.
Consider this -- if the original Arab response to partition had been agreement instead of shooting -- the map of today would look very much like the map of 1947.
Families have been displaced by Israel, that is true -- and Jewish families (just as many) have been displaced by the Arab countries. Did you believe there were no Jews living in Jerusalem when Jordan annexed it in 1948 and kicked out all the Jews?
It's nonsense to say that Jews should only be allowed to land they actually paid for if Arabs are allowed to claim all of the previous Ottoman Land without paying. The fact is, Jews in Palestine, in the early days, cared enough to legitimize their claims to land to seek out the previous Ottoman owners and pay for it. Arab Palestinians did not. Consider this --we live in a country where 100% of the land belonged to someone else before we started living on it -- how much of that was purchased from the ORIGINAL owners? Do you have the right to live somewhere if the original owner didn't receive payment for it? You merely purchased your home from someone else that stole it -- regardless of how far you go back.
It's a moot argument in any case -- Israel is where it is, it's not going anywhere. Palestinian Arabs have to accept that, negotiate a new border with Israel and forget this idiotic dream of trying to fight for all of it. Precisely what you would say if Mexico started lobbing rockets over the border in an attempt to get back Texas.