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shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
13. No problem, take it or leave it
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jul 2014

One more thing: disregard any argument that this particular dispute defies characterisation because it is "complex". In fact it is relatively simple: there are two groups wanting the same patch of land. The reason why people fall back on the old shibboleth that this conflict is "complex" is because liberals feel more squeamish about this dispute due to the issues of Jews and anti-semitism, and don't feel as comfortable viewing this dispute in their usually way, as a simple black-white dichotomy (eg Serbia/Bosnia, South Africa, even the Falklands Islands dispute). If the Palestinians had been colonised by WASPs instead of Jews then I don't think that there would be the same hesitation and hedging.

In reality, all conflicts are complex to some degree. The two bloodiest conflicts in South African history were the difaqane (a black on black war of Zulu against Xhosa) and the boer war (white British vs white Dutch), far more blood was shed in these wars than in the struggle against apartheid. The african national congress had its own armed terrorist wing, and nelson Mandela refused to disband them until apartheid was abolished. The ANC murdered collaborators, in fact their instrument of choice was putting a tyre full of gasoline around someone's head and setting it alight. Mandela's own wife participated in at least one such murder.

You can say the same for the the Irish republicans, the native Americans, the Vietnamese. The Palestinians have done nothing that has not been done many times before by other indigenous groups trying to preserve themselves.




In other words are most willing to share to have peace? randys1 Jul 2014 #1
Yes, I think you are correct. Most are willing to share and co-exist to have peace. dballance Jul 2014 #2
See #14 below. n/t shira Jul 2014 #15
You did well, I think, dballance. elleng Jul 2014 #3
Your a spokesman for your people? King_David Jul 2014 #4
I speak for myself. elleng Jul 2014 #5
+1 Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #7
You're trying too hard... shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #6
+1 Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #8
Honest. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #9
Thanks for the reply. dballance Jul 2014 #11
No problem, take it or leave it shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #13
You're forgetting Hamas/PLO plans to rid all Palestine of Jews….. shira Jul 2014 #14
How's the job hunting going? Nt shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #16
Why? n/t shira Jul 2014 #21
One point here... LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #25
I disagree with that. Extremists will always have an all-or-nothing attitude. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #10
I see your point. I cannot dispute it. dballance Jul 2014 #12
Extremist views are unfortunately mainstream within Palestinian society shira Jul 2014 #17
To your point. Aren't extremist views also mainstream within Israeli Politics? dballance Jul 2014 #18
They definitely exist but aren't mainstream. Israel's very liberal overall…. shira Jul 2014 #19
I totally agree. Israel is very liberal overall dballance Jul 2014 #20
then why do they keep voting for him? shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #22
Good question. dballance Jul 2014 #23
I agree... LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #24
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