Fears of extremism taking hold in Syria as violence continues

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10. did you forget about the rest of the country?

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No settlements means no attacks on settlements
did you forget about the rest of Israel? it too is considered a "settlement... Have you spoken to hamas recently? islamic Jihad members? and i noticed in the past before there were settlements post 67, that, there were also attacks on israel and now there are less... Its is immoral to place israel, its citizens in a more dangerous position. The gaza withdrawal in fact put over a million israelis vulnerable to the random rocket fire, of hamas, that too is immoral. Whereas from a point of view of geopolitics (national and international) leaving gaza was smart, it does however remain immoral. That immorality will not be repeated.

I'll make it simpler: it would be immoral for me to place my family in a potentially more dangerous situation...and just plain stupid as well. Removal of the IDF and the settlements from the west bank at this point would do just that.

and the Palestenans like any people have the ability to create a western democracy, its a matter of national will, western education and culture. I don't believe any of those aspects exist within their culture presently, with enough "mass" and i believe its essential for any long term peace and stability to have a chance....that too is a moral stand. Helping/aiding in the creation of a dictatorship is one of the most immoral things any international community can do as it negates the whole concept of civil rights for its citizens from the very start.

I suggest your position is untenable and you know it.
on the contrary, i live in a world where i admit i can't read the future and at the sametime am willing to make choices that i believe are the best moral choices, choices that may not be simple, but never the less are actual choices

this is in stark contrast to you...basically you sell out your "morality" to "international law" so you infact have to do nothing.

the only thing you've written that has some truth to it is:
On the contrary, by withdrawing the settlers, Israel could change the whole dynamic.

yes it would, i don't believe it would be for the better, at this point, and that is nothing in the history or in the past events that would suggest otherwise. You may believe it wont, and you probably have a new set of "authorities" who's ability to read the future is probably very poor, but it is nothing more than a religious type belief since it ignores history...but you still believe it anyway

You seem to have changed your mind about dictatorships........NATO was only doing what you wanted and you now claim it was foolish!

whereas i have my own moral compass and believe (unlike you) that dictatorships are illegal and have no rights, and in fact should be on a "removal list, it doesn't mean one does stupid things like remove a stable secular dictatorship and replace it with tribal and religious based dictatorship.....that is even more immoral.

It seems to me, that in your view, if the UN says something is OK, that means its legal, if they don't, you believe its then 'illegal" and you don't seem to have your own moral compass at all you just believe what your told.

i.e. interfering and killing in Libya is morally justifiable, interfering in Dafur would be immoral, The iraq wars were all moral since the UN agreed.

did i get that right? sure makes your life easy, you don't even have to act on anything, since your "moral authority" does it for you.

i call that being morally bankrupt.....

so tell us:
will you or will you not do anything at all to help the syrians, or do you stand by your version of morality and declare it immoral and illegal to aid them?
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just a note: it occurred to me, why you have such a simplistic black and white view of good and bad, what is moral and what is not....you've never done any thing..never had to make choices between the shades of morality, decisions of what is "more moral" and what is "less moral" is something you can't comprehend because you've simply never had to face it....