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Jeroen

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30. Classic, controlled demolition
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:48 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Your argument is based on the absence of evidence for a classic, controlled demolition:

1. No explosions were heard before or during the collapse;
2. No evidence of explosions were found in the debris;

However, you seem to ignore numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions including 118 FDNY personnel. These explosions ‘have been debunked’ as exploding generators, popping bolds, floors dropping on floors below and so on. Because explosives are ruled out a priori, debunkers provide alternative explanations, as the ones mentioned. Again, the most obvious cause, namely explosives, is ignored because it contradicts the official narrative. The same holds true for other strong indicators of explosives such as:

1. Lateral ejection of multi-ton steel framing members distances of 600 feet at more than 60 mph;
2. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds;
3. Isolated explosive ejections 20 to 60 stories below the crush zone;
4. Total destruction and dismemberment of all three buildings, with 220 floors each an acre in size missing from the Twin Towers’ debris pile;

Also, you dismiss the nanothermite composites and iron microspheres found in WTC dust samples, as well the thermite incendiaries on steel beams. You also ignore the molten steel & iron found in the debris piles. I’ve read the ‘debunking arguments’ debunking the nanothermite, iron microspheres and molten steel & iron, but I am not convinced.

As for the absence of evidence for a classic, controlled demolition, this of course, is to be expected. Those who orchestrated the collapses needed to conceal the use of explosives. Therefore the structures were weakened by a series of smaller explosions before the final chain of explosions was initiated.

I often hear the incompetent argument: the US government is not competent enough to pull of 911. However, the MIC, ‘the deep state’ or how you want to call it, is. And it is fact, not fiction that similar plans existed before 911 such as Operation Northwoods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

To conclude, you and I will have to agree to disagree. You support the official narrative and to be fair, that is the logical thing to do. Those who question the official narrative, like me, have to prove the existence of a conspiracy, which, of course, is very hard to do because the evidence is concealed or destroyed. Those who ask questions are ridiculed and dismissed as irrational, unscientific and even unpatriotic. In other words, there are no incentives to question 911. This in itself is questionable.




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Zero! William Seger Mar 2015 #1
you wished! wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #3
growing library of peer-reviewed technical papers Jeroen Nov 2015 #26
Sure William Seger Nov 2015 #27
Thanks Jeroen Nov 2015 #28
"no explosives were active during the collapses" William Seger Nov 2015 #29
Classic, controlled demolition Jeroen Nov 2015 #30
I don't have any problem with people who "question the official narrative" William Seger Nov 2015 #31
Numbers are fun! zappaman Mar 2015 #2
? OBenario Oct 2015 #6
now 2354. and climbing. n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #4
Holy crap! zappaman May 2015 #5
Do you imagine there'ssome significance to the percentage? wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #7
I'm so glad you asked, here's some homework so you might answer your own questions honestly. greyl Oct 2015 #8
wasn't asking you but perhaps you could answer in your own words? wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #9
Wrong, false, and untrue. You did ask, "What do you account for the percentage...yada yada" greyl Oct 2015 #11
2366? Up 12 in the last 6 months? William Seger Oct 2015 #10
up yes. wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #12
You ignore attrition. Many former "truthers" have discovered they were lied to William Seger Oct 2015 #13
your post has so many false assertions William. But you know that. n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #14
No, I don't know that, and apparently neither do you William Seger Oct 2015 #18
you assert that no one could have... wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #19
24/7!? No... wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #15
yep! wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #16
Oh, the magical delayed remote action bombs? William Seger Oct 2015 #17
yeah there you go making up shit again. wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #22
Give it up wildbilln864, GGJohn Oct 2015 #20
yea well I'll be here to remind them... wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #21
Here? On a chat board? GGJohn Oct 2015 #23
doesn't seem to slow you down any. wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #24
Spread the word where ever you go? GGJohn Oct 2015 #25
+1000 nt Logical Nov 2015 #32
C'mon now... zappaman Nov 2015 #33
2,374 n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #34
2409! wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #35
Weird argument whitefordmd Dec 2015 #36
not an argument wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #37
So your posting a fact, but not trying to make a point? Very sensible. eom whitefordmd Dec 2015 #38
I actually take some small comfort William Seger Dec 2015 #39
I used to work with a Structural Engineer that was neck deep into all sorts of woo. whitefordmd Dec 2015 #40
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