Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)

46. You're probably right...

Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:39 PM

Jan 2012

...expecting some critical thinking from the gun culture at large is asking a bit much. Also, only you can make yourself angry; many of us are capable of controlling our emotions.

"but the people that were intimately affected by the issue (gun owners and pro-gun people) did go to the Republicans in large numbers."

Fair-weather friends.

I get two different stories on the AWB from the pro-gun crowd: 1. It was ineffective. 2. It was a travesty. My question, how can something that was ineffective, be a nuisance?

The NRA is already ginning up fear to fuel an attack on Obama:

Response to ellisonz (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:08 PM
Star Member tularetom
2. Well I got a letter from the NRA

That said that Obama had already placed all sorts of unreasonable restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms.

So WTF is it with this Obama guy? He's managed to piss off all the nuts on both sides of this debate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12514660#post2

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Americans Certify Second Amendment, Divided Over Gun Laws [View all] burf Jan 2012 OP

Seventy percent of Americans... jeepnstein Jan 2012 #1

That would be my guess, too. Conflating semi-auto and machine guns. TheWraith Jan 2012 #25

Yep, and here's how the Big Lie what got it started: SteveW Jan 2012 #79

It's most likely the format of the question.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #2

They play word games when asking about semi-autos. ileus Jan 2012 #3

The gun-control side has purposefully worked to obfuscate what a semi-automatic firearm is. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #4

What I find most positive, assuming it's a real trend, is the last point: petronius Jan 2012 #5

Not sure why the numbers seem strange. Gun culture loves semi-autos -- general public not so much. Hoyt Jan 2012 #6

82% of violent crime occurs outside the home. Glassunion Jan 2012 #14

A 1911 is a semi auto rl6214 Jan 2012 #26

After being made for 100 years, burf Jan 2012 #28

Good Work, Right-Wing Supremes... ellisonz Jan 2012 #7

Must sting, I'm sure.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #8

Until you realize... ellisonz Jan 2012 #9

Most Americans can read English X_Digger Jan 2012 #10

Last refuge of a scalawag DonP Jan 2012 #12

Please... ellisonz Jan 2012 #13

Look it up. DonP Jan 2012 #16

Oh I know what it means... ellisonz Jan 2012 #22

Not gonna do it? ellisonz Jan 2012 #32

Be careful, he's gotta license to __________ out. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #80

the problem here is that it doesn't even make sense iverglas Jan 2012 #27

My problem here is that this poster... ellisonz Jan 2012 #30

my time here wasn't wasted! iverglas Jan 2012 #35

Nope ellisonz Jan 2012 #38

thank you iverglas Jan 2012 #52

So you're saying everyone here that supports the 2A is Right Wing? ileus Jan 2012 #15

We all realize Spoonman Jan 2012 #18

LOL. You mean right-wingers like Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Kennedy? DanTex Jan 2012 #21

When you speak of rights as being privileges, it does burf Jan 2012 #19

You and your friends successfully employed arrogance and moral superiority about.... krispos42 Jan 2012 #29

Really? ellisonz Jan 2012 #31

Where were you in 2000? rrneck Jan 2012 #34

California. ellisonz Jan 2012 #39

You didn't see shit. rrneck Jan 2012 #51

And already knew what a hanging chad... ellisonz Jan 2012 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author rrneck Jan 2012 #56

And your point is? nt rrneck Jan 2012 #57

Polarization. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #58

So you got nothin'. rrneck Jan 2012 #59

What did you really expect gun owners to do? krispos42 Jan 2012 #45

You're probably right... ellisonz Jan 2012 #46

"how can something that was ineffective, be a nuisance?" X_Digger Jan 2012 #55

Where was the critical thinking from the pro-AWB group? krispos42 Jan 2012 #76

Obstructed by the NRA and friends... ellisonz Jan 2012 #77

I do know gun owners who state they will NEVER vote Democratic MicaelS Jan 2012 #50

This is a common mistake you make... ellisonz Jan 2012 #60

And the gun control laws have to meet Constitutional muster krispos42 Jan 2012 #78

Because it is an important issue. While we do nothing, millions more guns pollute society. Hoyt Jan 2012 #71

No worries, we've got people like you to protect our precious bodily fluids... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #73

You say "profit from guns" as if it were a bad thing. Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #74

We're not grinning rl6214 Jan 2012 #75

Radical right-wingers like the President? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #33

That's a horrible likeness of Ruth Bader Ginsburg! DonP Jan 2012 #11

False! DanTex Jan 2012 #17

Lol, did you skip the first sentence? X_Digger Jan 2012 #20

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #23

The collective right schtick is dead X_Digger Jan 2012 #24

In other words, I was right and you were wrong. DanTex Jan 2012 #36

Individual right.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #40

Reading comprehension. DanTex Jan 2012 #41

They agreed with the individual right. The rest is hand-waving. X_Digger Jan 2012 #42

Again, only the right-wingers agree with you. DanTex Jan 2012 #43

He has to force his will upon you... ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

It's kinda funny. Is it so hard to say "I think Scalia is right and Stevens is wrong". DanTex Jan 2012 #48

Lol, 'force his will upon you'.. *snort* X_Digger Jan 2012 #66

I do have to give you credit... ellisonz Jan 2012 #70

Ah, there's that self-innoculation again!: "derided and silenced." We know 'bout that license. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #81

Still haven't found another right limited to a certain context? X_Digger Jan 2012 #49

Still haven't found a non-right-wing justice to agree with you? DanTex Jan 2012 #54

Don't you have just a *wee* bit of consternation about United States v Jones? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #62

When has an incorporated right, once protected by the SCOTUS, *ever* been reversed? X_Digger Jan 2012 #64

Still haven't found a non-right-wing justice to agree with you? DanTex Jan 2012 #65

Presser v Illinois is the first one that comes to mind.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #67

When cornered, the pro-gunner will instinctively turn to irrelevant historical sidenotes... DanTex Jan 2012 #68

LOL, that was a SCOTUS case.. you asked, I answered. 6 justices in that case X_Digger Jan 2012 #69

Skipped civics class that day, eh? Callisto32 Jan 2012 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #82

President Obama agrees as well. Does that carry any weight with you? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #44

Great post. I believe Stevens' dissent will prevail unless more right wingers appointed to court. Hoyt Jan 2012 #72

Don't forget the Left-wing, too... Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #61

And don't forget this Left-winger.... Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #63

Angus Reid ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #37

Wonder how they worded the original question? BiggJawn Jan 2012 #83

Ha! I found one of my Model 60s for $25 DonP Jan 2012 #84

Click on the link at the OP burf Jan 2012 #85

Thanks! n/t BiggJawn Jan 2012 #86

Looks like the question was framed in such a way benEzra Jan 2012 #88