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brindleboxer

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33. I can't think of a more credible source...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 08:47 AM
Mar 2013

on the issue of operating an AR-15 than Rachel Maddow. She makes this argument, and provides nothing to substantiate her assumption that performing 14 magazine changes in the course of five minutes would be prohibitively difficult, which makes sense when you're preaching to the MSNBC choir but it's not a solid argument.

Lanza could have killed just as many people with a Glock 19 and a fanny pack full of 10 round magazines. The more and more I hear elected Dems lying to us about these things, the harder it makes it for me to identify with the political left in this country in almost any capacity. Not because I'm a single issue voter (I'm not) but because I used to think that the Democratic party was above this kind of dishonest sensationalist bullshit. And to watch the majority of other dems rallying around dishonest, self-aggrandizing turds like Dianne Feinstein and be unwilling to apply or allow any scrutiny to their rhetoric, I'm feeling increasinly alienated from my own party.

I think they rely on the belief that a spree shooter has to stop when his mag runs out. kudzu22 Mar 2013 #1
Or that the shooter would come in the door firing non-stop sylvi Mar 2013 #2
And the CT murderer never let any mag run out rl6214 Mar 2013 #65
With a 30 round mag it would have taken 8 seconds. rdharma Mar 2013 #3
Proof? Nope. Clames Mar 2013 #4
8 or 9 seconds at the cadence he was firing rdharma Mar 2013 #5
I did. You are wrong as usual. Clames Mar 2013 #7
Nope. rdharma Mar 2013 #24
Notice also that the gun was never truly empty rl6214 Mar 2013 #66
Little kids couldn't have tackled the murderer? rdharma Mar 2013 #67
With this comment I don't know what your point is. rl6214 Mar 2013 #68
Runner is singular...... isn't it? nt rdharma Mar 2013 #69
Just keep changing the scenario rl6214 Mar 2013 #70
Ever hear of Jerrod Laughner? rdharma Mar 2013 #71
I thought you were talking up thread about little kids tackling the shooter? rl6214 Mar 2013 #99
Actually it was a 74 year old guy that took down Loughner........ rdharma Mar 2013 #100
Don't forget the good "guy with a gun" ArcticFox Mar 2013 #104
But he'd rather go on and on about reloading and mag limits, rl6214 Mar 2013 #202
He wasn't reloading. He was clearing a jam. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #106
Highlighting an oft overlooked argument against mag limits Bazinga Mar 2013 #109
So you're objection is that smaller magazines might slow you down even more than anticipated? nt Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #114
In essence, yes. Bazinga Mar 2013 #116
If you are that good, why do you need more than a single bullet? Why would you need to reload? uppityperson Mar 2013 #117
I appreciate the confidence. Bazinga Mar 2013 #119
I see. So let you have high capacity in the off chance you need it and mass murderer shooters can uppityperson Mar 2013 #121
I know it's a bit of a nit-pick Bazinga Mar 2013 #122
And being able to shoot more faster isn't an advantage for them, only for you. Thanks for clarifying uppityperson Mar 2013 #124
Any rate of fire that compromises accuracy is pointless, really. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #172
I don't recall saying that. Bazinga Mar 2013 #207
I'm going to go out on a limb here sylvi Mar 2013 #6
"an insignificant amount of time given the scenarios" rdharma Mar 2013 #8
"It becomes more significant when you're talking 150 rounds." sylvi Mar 2013 #12
She wasn't moving. nt rdharma Mar 2013 #13
But mass shooters do. sylvi Mar 2013 #15
mass shooters move..... rdharma Mar 2013 #47
The Brady Campaign calls them mass shootings sylvi Mar 2013 #50
What's the matter? rdharma Mar 2013 #53
Half the test was fair. ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #19
She wasn't carrying the mags on her person. rdharma Mar 2013 #20
Barrel vs mag carrier. ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #22
"How much difference?" rdharma Mar 2013 #23
so do you, so do I gejohnston Mar 2013 #27
What does it tell you....... rdharma Mar 2013 #28
it tells me that either the gejohnston Mar 2013 #30
"Since Lanza did not have any empty magazines on him....." rdharma Mar 2013 #37
he didn't empty any magazines apperently gejohnston Mar 2013 #41
The Courant! rdharma Mar 2013 #42
the official report will come out in June gejohnston Mar 2013 #43
"media ....has not had a great track record for accuracy" rdharma Mar 2013 #44
Faux didn't invent it gejohnston Mar 2013 #45
"Brave men go to war shooting bullets, crazy men go to war shooting film" Or something like that. oneshooter Mar 2013 #57
Reach back and feel around? LOL. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #107
You aren't Tomasie...... rdharma Mar 2013 #112
Granted, I'm not him. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #143
Why would I want to carry it in back? rdharma Mar 2013 #146
Mine, and all the others, were in front. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #153
on each side rdharma Mar 2013 #156
Looked like this: GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #157
I know what they looked like! rdharma Mar 2013 #159
Why? I didn't then, and don't now. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #162
handguns. rdharma Mar 2013 #164
The discussion isn't limited to AR mags only. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #166
'Cause you say so? rdharma Mar 2013 #170
Yes. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #171
Buh-bye! rdharma Mar 2013 #173
Hear that? He's got them "special pistol mag carriers" sylvi Mar 2013 #125
Special pistol mag carriers? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #144
pistol mag carriers go up front rdharma Mar 2013 #149
No, but lots of other semi-auto guns are pistols. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #155
Yeah, I just wanted to make sure you saw his post... sylvi Mar 2013 #150
OK. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #158
"special pistol mag carriers" rdharma Mar 2013 #147
Ooooooooo, you're such an ex-spurt on weapons sylvi Mar 2013 #148
What's the matter? rdharma Mar 2013 #152
Yeah, keep shooting down those pro-RKBA arguments like you have been sylvi Mar 2013 #174
I have five of them now! rdharma Mar 2013 #177
Sure you do, pal sylvi Mar 2013 #179
Are AKs black rifles? rdharma Mar 2013 #180
depends gejohnston Mar 2013 #185
Gag me with a spoon! rdharma Mar 2013 #188
Cool story, bro! nt sylvi Mar 2013 #186
This message was self-deleted by its author rdharma Mar 2013 #190
Cool pic, bro! sylvi Mar 2013 #191
This message was self-deleted by its author rdharma Mar 2013 #192
The Va Tech shooter reloaded a dozen times hack89 Mar 2013 #34
sylvi, do you always post rightie propaganda? rdharma Mar 2013 #25
I don't care if he's Satan incarnate. sylvi Mar 2013 #35
information in the video. rdharma Mar 2013 #36
And people Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #9
"firearm prohibition" rdharma Mar 2013 #10
Lots of posters on DU have mention that they want ... spin Mar 2013 #17
your proposal Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #31
Any number of posters, here and elsewhere ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #64
Jim seemed to be sandbagging on the... ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #11
Mickulik rdharma Mar 2013 #14
Magazine/cylinder capacity is not all it is hyped to be. ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #16
Jim seemed to be sandbagging on the larger capacity magazines. rdharma Mar 2013 #18
I agree there was some sandbagging Bay Boy Mar 2013 #77
The good Sheriff, Ken Campbell, works at GUNSITE rdharma Mar 2013 #21
No difference carrying 14 magazines rather than 3? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #26
If the limit doesn't make a difference, then it shouldn't matter to gun enthusiasts. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #29
Did't make a diff with the VT murderer. Heard he set the record. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #32
That's just like; "If you have nothing to hide you'll let the police search your car/house/body". DonP Mar 2013 #39
Magazine size doesn't matter to a spree killer kudzu22 Mar 2013 #46
I can't think of a more credible source... brindleboxer Mar 2013 #33
Actually she did key onto one strong point... she just didn't spend a lot of time on it. iiibbb Mar 2013 #136
Video 1 CLOWN...... rdharma Mar 2013 #38
You missed the point. Straw Man Mar 2013 #40
Better redo your calculations. rdharma Mar 2013 #48
OK -- and you had better redo yours. Straw Man Mar 2013 #58
Bubba's magazine changes were closer to 2 seconds, rdharma Mar 2013 #59
C'mon now ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #61
You continue to purposely miss the point sylvi Mar 2013 #49
Oh, puhleese! rdharma Mar 2013 #51
I don't blame you sylvi Mar 2013 #52
I don't blame you either...... rdharma Mar 2013 #54
His facts vs your ignorance. Clames Mar 2013 #73
Facts? rdharma Mar 2013 #74
Still waiting for the mythical AR you "built". Clames Mar 2013 #75
Tell you what! rdharma Mar 2013 #76
Already did. Clames Mar 2013 #85
posted pictures rdharma Mar 2013 #86
I did. Clames Mar 2013 #87
No! You didn't! rdharma Mar 2013 #89
I did, several of them. Clames Mar 2013 #91
You lie? Oh, no! Please tell me that's not the case! rdharma Mar 2013 #94
Nope, just keep lying to yourself. Clames Mar 2013 #98
Bush 1 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #105
Isn't that also an argument to ban detachable magazines? nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #55
just tape 2 or 3 together Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #56
Show me how thats done on ten round mags! rdharma Mar 2013 #60
You've never seen these? Straw Man Mar 2013 #62
LOL sylvi Mar 2013 #63
Uh...... what's your "gotcha" point? rdharma Mar 2013 #72
Winner of the No Shit Sherlock award ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #78
Well, hey! Tape your three 20 rounders together there, Hoss! rdharma Mar 2013 #79
You're talking to the wrong person, Chuck. Straw Man Mar 2013 #80
No! He laughs at thee...... who defends gun nuts, Hoss! rdharma Mar 2013 #82
So it's down to insults and smileys. Straw Man Mar 2013 #84
"someone who wanted to tape two 10-round magazines together wouldn't use one of those". rdharma Mar 2013 #81
You said you wanted to see how it would be done ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #83
Well, show me how three 20 rounders are taped together then! rdharma Mar 2013 #88
Perhaps you aren't reading carefully. Straw Man Mar 2013 #90
That wasn't my claim. rdharma Mar 2013 #92
You're the one conflating the claims. Straw Man Mar 2013 #93
Just admit ........ it can't be done! rdharma Mar 2013 #95
Please show me where I said it could. Straw Man Mar 2013 #97
I've really had fun on this thread! rdharma Mar 2013 #96
Why is it so f..ing important to have 30 rounds available to you at any time? upaloopa Mar 2013 #101
"I didn't have 30 round magazines in Vietnam" rdharma Mar 2013 #102
America doesnt have a Dept.of Needs. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #108
Do you "want" an AT-4? rdharma Mar 2013 #111
A loaded AT-4 is ordnance, not small arms. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #138
Does the Second Amendment specify "small arms"? rdharma Mar 2013 #142
America does however have a government, formed for the common good. jmg257 Mar 2013 #113
Once the government can articulate a rational reason to regulate them hack89 Mar 2013 #118
They have articulated reasons quite often, jmg257 Mar 2013 #120
Just as long as you understand the government has no right hack89 Mar 2013 #123
I agree - hence my use of the term "government interest". jmg257 Mar 2013 #133
Freedom doesn't work that way. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #139
I agree. Compelling interest and all that stuff. jmg257 Mar 2013 #141
There is no compelling interest in banning high cap magazines. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #145
And the NVA did... krispos42 Mar 2013 #110
glad this is presenting an opportunity for you to find the humor in this issue CreekDog Mar 2013 #160
The human toll ratio was almost 50:1 krispos42 Mar 2013 #168
sorry, but what are you talking about? CreekDog Mar 2013 #176
I thought you were going in a certain direction krispos42 Mar 2013 #208
You need a 30 round clip so you don't lose time reloading ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #127
My question is reloading for what? upaloopa Mar 2013 #129
Victims and criminals are in vastly different situations. Bazinga Mar 2013 #206
5 Minutes iiibbb Mar 2013 #103
Armed security fantasy........ rdharma Mar 2013 #115
Congratulations! With 125 replies, you are the first to use the magic combination of letters "NRA" AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #128
agreed, we need to ban these weapons completely and jail anyone in possession of one. bowens43 Mar 2013 #126
30 shots per minute is not a high rate of fire? i think you've taken leave of your senses. CreekDog Mar 2013 #130
No, it's not a high rate of fire sylvi Mar 2013 #131
so you're saying the Newtown Massacre did not feature a high rate of fire CreekDog Mar 2013 #132
No it did not feature high rate of fire sylvi Mar 2013 #135
I agree Bazinga Mar 2013 #204
Legislation requires facts and numbers ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #137
excuse me but what is the purpose of firing 30 rounds in one minute? CreekDog Mar 2013 #140
In the vast majority of cases? Goofing off. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #151
are you telling me that they're pumping hundreds of pollutning rounds into the environment? CreekDog Mar 2013 #154
depends on the range gejohnston Mar 2013 #161
so there's a good chance that they are polluting the environment CreekDog Mar 2013 #163
depends on the degree gejohnston Mar 2013 #178
putting lead into the environment doesn't depend upon degree CreekDog Mar 2013 #181
children don't dig up bullets and eat them out of desert sand gejohnston Mar 2013 #183
when did the entire country become a desert that children don't dig in? CreekDog Mar 2013 #184
I grew up in a desert gejohnston Mar 2013 #187
you just said lead shot isn't a problem because children aren't going to dig in desert sand for it CreekDog Mar 2013 #189
I'm doing quite fine gejohnston Mar 2013 #193
what about wildlife? CreekDog Mar 2013 #194
do you know what a straw man is? gejohnston Mar 2013 #197
is that what the NRA is demanding now? CreekDog Mar 2013 #198
don't work for the NRA, have to ask them gejohnston Mar 2013 #199
i don't know who those are except Bloomberg CreekDog Mar 2013 #200
Violence Policy Center gejohnston Mar 2013 #212
I think "disaster" is a bit of an overstatement, really. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #167
how much ammunition can be put into the environment safely? CreekDog Mar 2013 #195
Wow...that's one hell of a stretch. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #196
Oh FFS sylvi Mar 2013 #169
apparently you haven't bought coffee lately CreekDog Mar 2013 #175
If a firearm exists ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #201
It's a pretty good rate of fire. krispos42 Mar 2013 #210
magazine capacity limits is a feel good reaction RedstDem Mar 2013 #134
So if limiting the size of the magazines SheilaT Mar 2013 #165
Somalia's legal gun ownership is lower than Australia's gejohnston Mar 2013 #182
Sure. Straw Man Mar 2013 #205
No. There's no comparison to what the gun cartels SheilaT Mar 2013 #209
You're wrong about that. Straw Man Mar 2013 #211
@202 replies, only two recs. That should tell you something. Auggie Mar 2013 #203
You're so far off the mark it isn't even funny... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #213
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