Gun Control & RKBA

CreekDog

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181. putting lead into the environment doesn't depend upon degree

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:54 PM

Mar 2013

unlike many pollutants there really aren't safe levels of lead exposure, especially for children.

and there are laws concerning the other pollution you refer to, so i take it you support laws with respect to guns.

unless you are a hypocrite.

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The 10-round magazine fantasy [View all] sylvi Mar 2013 OP

I think they rely on the belief that a spree shooter has to stop when his mag runs out. kudzu22 Mar 2013 #1

Or that the shooter would come in the door firing non-stop sylvi Mar 2013 #2

And the CT murderer never let any mag run out rl6214 Mar 2013 #65

With a 30 round mag it would have taken 8 seconds. rdharma Mar 2013 #3

Proof? Nope. Clames Mar 2013 #4

8 or 9 seconds at the cadence he was firing rdharma Mar 2013 #5

I did. You are wrong as usual. Clames Mar 2013 #7

Nope. rdharma Mar 2013 #24

Notice also that the gun was never truly empty rl6214 Mar 2013 #66

Little kids couldn't have tackled the murderer? rdharma Mar 2013 #67

With this comment I don't know what your point is. rl6214 Mar 2013 #68

Runner is singular...... isn't it? nt rdharma Mar 2013 #69

Just keep changing the scenario rl6214 Mar 2013 #70

Ever hear of Jerrod Laughner? rdharma Mar 2013 #71

I thought you were talking up thread about little kids tackling the shooter? rl6214 Mar 2013 #99

Actually it was a 74 year old guy that took down Loughner........ rdharma Mar 2013 #100

Don't forget the good "guy with a gun" ArcticFox Mar 2013 #104

But he'd rather go on and on about reloading and mag limits, rl6214 Mar 2013 #202

He wasn't reloading. He was clearing a jam. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #106

Highlighting an oft overlooked argument against mag limits Bazinga Mar 2013 #109

So you're objection is that smaller magazines might slow you down even more than anticipated? nt Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #114

In essence, yes. Bazinga Mar 2013 #116

If you are that good, why do you need more than a single bullet? Why would you need to reload? uppityperson Mar 2013 #117

I appreciate the confidence. Bazinga Mar 2013 #119

I see. So let you have high capacity in the off chance you need it and mass murderer shooters can uppityperson Mar 2013 #121

I know it's a bit of a nit-pick Bazinga Mar 2013 #122

And being able to shoot more faster isn't an advantage for them, only for you. Thanks for clarifying uppityperson Mar 2013 #124

Any rate of fire that compromises accuracy is pointless, really. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #172

I don't recall saying that. Bazinga Mar 2013 #207

I'm going to go out on a limb here sylvi Mar 2013 #6

"an insignificant amount of time given the scenarios" rdharma Mar 2013 #8

"It becomes more significant when you're talking 150 rounds." sylvi Mar 2013 #12

She wasn't moving. nt rdharma Mar 2013 #13

But mass shooters do. sylvi Mar 2013 #15

mass shooters move..... rdharma Mar 2013 #47

The Brady Campaign calls them mass shootings sylvi Mar 2013 #50

What's the matter? rdharma Mar 2013 #53

Half the test was fair. ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #19

She wasn't carrying the mags on her person. rdharma Mar 2013 #20

Barrel vs mag carrier. ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #22

"How much difference?" rdharma Mar 2013 #23

so do you, so do I gejohnston Mar 2013 #27

What does it tell you....... rdharma Mar 2013 #28

it tells me that either the gejohnston Mar 2013 #30

"Since Lanza did not have any empty magazines on him....." rdharma Mar 2013 #37

he didn't empty any magazines apperently gejohnston Mar 2013 #41

The Courant! rdharma Mar 2013 #42

the official report will come out in June gejohnston Mar 2013 #43

"media ....has not had a great track record for accuracy" rdharma Mar 2013 #44

Faux didn't invent it gejohnston Mar 2013 #45

"Brave men go to war shooting bullets, crazy men go to war shooting film" Or something like that. oneshooter Mar 2013 #57

Reach back and feel around? LOL. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #107

You aren't Tomasie...... rdharma Mar 2013 #112

Granted, I'm not him. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #143

Why would I want to carry it in back? rdharma Mar 2013 #146

Mine, and all the others, were in front. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #153

on each side rdharma Mar 2013 #156

Looked like this: GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #157

I know what they looked like! rdharma Mar 2013 #159

Why? I didn't then, and don't now. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #162

handguns. rdharma Mar 2013 #164

The discussion isn't limited to AR mags only. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #166

'Cause you say so? rdharma Mar 2013 #170

Yes. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #171

Buh-bye! rdharma Mar 2013 #173

Hear that? He's got them "special pistol mag carriers" sylvi Mar 2013 #125

Special pistol mag carriers? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #144

pistol mag carriers go up front rdharma Mar 2013 #149

No, but lots of other semi-auto guns are pistols. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #155

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure you saw his post... sylvi Mar 2013 #150

OK. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #158

"special pistol mag carriers" rdharma Mar 2013 #147

Ooooooooo, you're such an ex-spurt on weapons sylvi Mar 2013 #148

What's the matter? rdharma Mar 2013 #152

Yeah, keep shooting down those pro-RKBA arguments like you have been sylvi Mar 2013 #174

I have five of them now! rdharma Mar 2013 #177

Sure you do, pal sylvi Mar 2013 #179

Are AKs black rifles? rdharma Mar 2013 #180

depends gejohnston Mar 2013 #185

Gag me with a spoon! rdharma Mar 2013 #188

Cool story, bro! nt sylvi Mar 2013 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author rdharma Mar 2013 #190

Cool pic, bro! sylvi Mar 2013 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author rdharma Mar 2013 #192

The Va Tech shooter reloaded a dozen times hack89 Mar 2013 #34

sylvi, do you always post rightie propaganda? rdharma Mar 2013 #25

I don't care if he's Satan incarnate. sylvi Mar 2013 #35

information in the video. rdharma Mar 2013 #36

And people Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #9

"firearm prohibition" rdharma Mar 2013 #10

Lots of posters on DU have mention that they want ... spin Mar 2013 #17

your proposal Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #31

Any number of posters, here and elsewhere ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #64

Jim seemed to be sandbagging on the... ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #11

Mickulik rdharma Mar 2013 #14

Magazine/cylinder capacity is not all it is hyped to be. ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #16

Jim seemed to be sandbagging on the larger capacity magazines. rdharma Mar 2013 #18

I agree there was some sandbagging Bay Boy Mar 2013 #77

The good Sheriff, Ken Campbell, works at GUNSITE rdharma Mar 2013 #21

No difference carrying 14 magazines rather than 3? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #26

If the limit doesn't make a difference, then it shouldn't matter to gun enthusiasts. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #29

Did't make a diff with the VT murderer. Heard he set the record. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #32

That's just like; "If you have nothing to hide you'll let the police search your car/house/body". DonP Mar 2013 #39

Magazine size doesn't matter to a spree killer kudzu22 Mar 2013 #46

I can't think of a more credible source... brindleboxer Mar 2013 #33

Actually she did key onto one strong point... she just didn't spend a lot of time on it. iiibbb Mar 2013 #136

Video 1 CLOWN...... rdharma Mar 2013 #38

You missed the point. Straw Man Mar 2013 #40

Better redo your calculations. rdharma Mar 2013 #48

OK -- and you had better redo yours. Straw Man Mar 2013 #58

Bubba's magazine changes were closer to 2 seconds, rdharma Mar 2013 #59

C'mon now ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #61

You continue to purposely miss the point sylvi Mar 2013 #49

Oh, puhleese! rdharma Mar 2013 #51

I don't blame you sylvi Mar 2013 #52

I don't blame you either...... rdharma Mar 2013 #54

His facts vs your ignorance. Clames Mar 2013 #73

Facts? rdharma Mar 2013 #74

Still waiting for the mythical AR you "built". Clames Mar 2013 #75

Tell you what! rdharma Mar 2013 #76

Already did. Clames Mar 2013 #85

posted pictures rdharma Mar 2013 #86

I did. Clames Mar 2013 #87

No! You didn't! rdharma Mar 2013 #89

I did, several of them. Clames Mar 2013 #91

You lie? Oh, no! Please tell me that's not the case! rdharma Mar 2013 #94

Nope, just keep lying to yourself. Clames Mar 2013 #98

Bush 1 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #105

Isn't that also an argument to ban detachable magazines? nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #55

just tape 2 or 3 together Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #56

Show me how thats done on ten round mags! rdharma Mar 2013 #60

You've never seen these? Straw Man Mar 2013 #62

LOL sylvi Mar 2013 #63

Uh...... what's your "gotcha" point? rdharma Mar 2013 #72

Winner of the No Shit Sherlock award ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #78

Well, hey! Tape your three 20 rounders together there, Hoss! rdharma Mar 2013 #79

You're talking to the wrong person, Chuck. Straw Man Mar 2013 #80

No! He laughs at thee...... who defends gun nuts, Hoss! rdharma Mar 2013 #82

So it's down to insults and smileys. Straw Man Mar 2013 #84

"someone who wanted to tape two 10-round magazines together wouldn't use one of those". rdharma Mar 2013 #81

You said you wanted to see how it would be done ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #83

Well, show me how three 20 rounders are taped together then! rdharma Mar 2013 #88

Perhaps you aren't reading carefully. Straw Man Mar 2013 #90

That wasn't my claim. rdharma Mar 2013 #92

You're the one conflating the claims. Straw Man Mar 2013 #93

Just admit ........ it can't be done! rdharma Mar 2013 #95

Please show me where I said it could. Straw Man Mar 2013 #97

I've really had fun on this thread! rdharma Mar 2013 #96

Why is it so f..ing important to have 30 rounds available to you at any time? upaloopa Mar 2013 #101

"I didn't have 30 round magazines in Vietnam" rdharma Mar 2013 #102

America doesnt have a Dept.of Needs. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #108

Do you "want" an AT-4? rdharma Mar 2013 #111

A loaded AT-4 is ordnance, not small arms. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #138

Does the Second Amendment specify "small arms"? rdharma Mar 2013 #142

America does however have a government, formed for the common good. jmg257 Mar 2013 #113

Once the government can articulate a rational reason to regulate them hack89 Mar 2013 #118

They have articulated reasons quite often, jmg257 Mar 2013 #120

Just as long as you understand the government has no right hack89 Mar 2013 #123

I agree - hence my use of the term "government interest". jmg257 Mar 2013 #133

Freedom doesn't work that way. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #139

I agree. Compelling interest and all that stuff. jmg257 Mar 2013 #141

There is no compelling interest in banning high cap magazines. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #145

And the NVA did... krispos42 Mar 2013 #110

glad this is presenting an opportunity for you to find the humor in this issue CreekDog Mar 2013 #160

The human toll ratio was almost 50:1 krispos42 Mar 2013 #168

sorry, but what are you talking about? CreekDog Mar 2013 #176

I thought you were going in a certain direction krispos42 Mar 2013 #208

You need a 30 round clip so you don't lose time reloading ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #127

My question is reloading for what? upaloopa Mar 2013 #129

Victims and criminals are in vastly different situations. Bazinga Mar 2013 #206

5 Minutes iiibbb Mar 2013 #103

Armed security fantasy........ rdharma Mar 2013 #115

Congratulations! With 125 replies, you are the first to use the magic combination of letters "NRA" AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #128

agreed, we need to ban these weapons completely and jail anyone in possession of one. bowens43 Mar 2013 #126

30 shots per minute is not a high rate of fire? i think you've taken leave of your senses. CreekDog Mar 2013 #130

No, it's not a high rate of fire sylvi Mar 2013 #131

so you're saying the Newtown Massacre did not feature a high rate of fire CreekDog Mar 2013 #132

No it did not feature high rate of fire sylvi Mar 2013 #135

I agree Bazinga Mar 2013 #204

Legislation requires facts and numbers ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #137

excuse me but what is the purpose of firing 30 rounds in one minute? CreekDog Mar 2013 #140

In the vast majority of cases? Goofing off. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #151

are you telling me that they're pumping hundreds of pollutning rounds into the environment? CreekDog Mar 2013 #154

depends on the range gejohnston Mar 2013 #161

so there's a good chance that they are polluting the environment CreekDog Mar 2013 #163

depends on the degree gejohnston Mar 2013 #178

putting lead into the environment doesn't depend upon degree CreekDog Mar 2013 #181

children don't dig up bullets and eat them out of desert sand gejohnston Mar 2013 #183

when did the entire country become a desert that children don't dig in? CreekDog Mar 2013 #184

I grew up in a desert gejohnston Mar 2013 #187

you just said lead shot isn't a problem because children aren't going to dig in desert sand for it CreekDog Mar 2013 #189

I'm doing quite fine gejohnston Mar 2013 #193

what about wildlife? CreekDog Mar 2013 #194

do you know what a straw man is? gejohnston Mar 2013 #197

is that what the NRA is demanding now? CreekDog Mar 2013 #198

don't work for the NRA, have to ask them gejohnston Mar 2013 #199

i don't know who those are except Bloomberg CreekDog Mar 2013 #200

Violence Policy Center gejohnston Mar 2013 #212

I think "disaster" is a bit of an overstatement, really. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #167

how much ammunition can be put into the environment safely? CreekDog Mar 2013 #195

Wow...that's one hell of a stretch. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #196

Oh FFS sylvi Mar 2013 #169

apparently you haven't bought coffee lately CreekDog Mar 2013 #175

If a firearm exists ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #201

It's a pretty good rate of fire. krispos42 Mar 2013 #210

magazine capacity limits is a feel good reaction RedstDem Mar 2013 #134

So if limiting the size of the magazines SheilaT Mar 2013 #165

Somalia's legal gun ownership is lower than Australia's gejohnston Mar 2013 #182

Sure. Straw Man Mar 2013 #205

No. There's no comparison to what the gun cartels SheilaT Mar 2013 #209

You're wrong about that. Straw Man Mar 2013 #211

@202 replies, only two recs. That should tell you something. Auggie Mar 2013 #203

You're so far off the mark it isn't even funny... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #213