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virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
11. Ok..
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:01 AM
Apr 2013

The inability to let someone else use YOUR firearm on their (or even yours, if it is away from your home) private property.. Also understand, that it is long settled law, considers things to be in your possession that are simply in a room (or a car) with you... Our insane drug laws has made this so.

(C) a temporary transfer of possession that
19 occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unli-
20 censed transferee, if —
21 ‘‘(i) the temporary transfer of possession
22 occurs in the home or curtilage of the unli-
23 censed transferor;
‘‘(ii) the firearm is not removed from that
2 home or curtilage during the temporary trans-
3 fer; and
4 ‘‘(iii) the transfer has a duration of less
5 than 7 days; and
6 ‘‘(D) a temporary transfer of possession with-
7 out transfer of title made in connection with lawful
8 hunting or sporting purposes if the transfer oc-
9 curs—
10 ‘‘(i) at a shooting range located in or on
11 premises owned or occupied by a duly incor-
12 porated organization organized for conservation
13 purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms
14 and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the
15 premises of the shooting range;
16 ‘‘(ii) at a target firearm shooting competi-
17 tion under the auspices of or approved by a
18 State agency or nonprofit organization and the
19 firearm is, at all times, kept within the prem-
20 ises of the shooting competition; and
21 ‘‘(iii) while hunting or trapping, if—
22 ‘‘(I) the activity is legal in all places
23 where the unlicensed transferee possesses
24 the firearm;
‘‘(II) the temporary transfer of pos-
2 session occurs during the designated hunt-
3 ing season; and
4 ‘‘(III) the unlicensed transferee holds
5 any required license or permit.
6 ‘‘(3) For purposes of this subsection, the term ‘trans-
7 fer’—
8 ‘‘(A) shall include a sale, gift, loan, return from
9 pawn or consignment, or other disposition; and
10 ‘‘(B) shall not include temporary possession of
11 the firearm for purposes of examination or evalua-
12 tion by a prospective transferee while in the presence
13 of the prospective transferee.


Again, consider house guests, when your out of town, the law could clearly entrap them, as it does people everyday for "illegal drugs".

Special note, notice the bit about having the "permit" for hunting, I wonder what happens if someone forgets to get a 2 dollar damage stamp, or forgets their license?? Did a federal FELONY just take place?

..the loss of a firearm, reporting..
IN GENERAL.—Section 922 of title 18, United
13 States Code, is amended by adding at the end—
14 ‘‘(aa) It shall be unlawful for any person who lawfully
15 possesses or owns a firearm that has been shipped or
16 transported in, or has been possessed in or affecting, inter-
17 state or foreign commerce, to fail to report the theft or
18 loss of the firearm, within 24 hours after the person dis-
19 covers the theft or loss, to the Attorney General and to
20 the appropriate local authorities.’’.


Are you a lawyer, VA mountainman? rdharma Apr 2013 #1
Do you find anything faulty with his assessment of the proposed law? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #2
What do YOU find wrong in the law? rdharma Apr 2013 #3
I don't know- I'm not a lawyer. Are you? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #4
LOL! Da gun-controller's hermetically-sealed logic. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #35
I did not read the proposed legislation. Jenoch Apr 2013 #5
To evaluate laws, ALL citizens must be lawyers. Another provision of the law. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #34
Yup, a very stupid and poorly written law. Clames Apr 2013 #6
Only someone who is vehemently opposed to any form of gun control could like that asinine bill tularetom Apr 2013 #7
What precise wording would you propose for background checks? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #10
I'm guessing it is written by the same gejohnston Apr 2013 #8
You do have to report a loss, but I think you are misreading some of the JDPriestly Apr 2013 #9
Ok.. virginia mountainman Apr 2013 #11
I utterly agree with the proposed law on this: JDPriestly Apr 2013 #47
Ok, you've alerted the police... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #53
The police watch for that firearm. If they stop someone who has it JDPriestly Apr 2013 #82
lending isn't the problem gejohnston Apr 2013 #88
And this new law puts some of the responsibility for knowing JDPriestly Apr 2013 #94
OK... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #93
OK. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #95
ok...So what changes would you make to revise this? Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #96
Worded to fail...typical emotion based bill. ileus Apr 2013 #12
Really? Why do you own a gun? nt Walk away Apr 2013 #85
They are over reaching. JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #13
Great - but what about non-sales? Say I just want to "give" my gun to some perp, jmg257 Apr 2013 #16
Gun owners won't be inconvenienced by laws that don't work. Clames Apr 2013 #18
How about not going to federal prison? A procedure to enforce federal firearm laws jmg257 Apr 2013 #22
How about "prove it". Clames Apr 2013 #23
I understand the hardship of proving 2 people committed an illegal transfer. jmg257 Apr 2013 #24
Buyer isn't going to implicate anyone.... Clames Apr 2013 #26
Universal Background Checks are a good example, along with registration of course. jmg257 Apr 2013 #27
Plenty of good reasons not to press them as they are currently written. Clames Apr 2013 #28
I understand about gun owners ignoring the spirit of the law. AWB was a great example, jmg257 Apr 2013 #29
how is that worse than gejohnston Apr 2013 #30
Good thing I don't have a stash then isn't it? jmg257 Apr 2013 #31
Funny, when presented an idea on how to make the law a bit more reasonable.... Clames Apr 2013 #32
You mean offering tax breaks to get people to follow the law? jmg257 Apr 2013 #33
Not worth the money? LOL Clames Apr 2013 #36
Yep-let us compromise..by bribing "law-abiding" gun owners as the means to get them to... jmg257 Apr 2013 #37
I'm not whining one bit. Clames Apr 2013 #40
I know...I said I get it - if one is willing to break the law, then they don't worry about the law. jmg257 Apr 2013 #41
You still don't get it. Clames Apr 2013 #43
Ahh - I see. You were grandstanding about your specific present state, and NOT jmg257 Apr 2013 #45
Tissues are yours... Clames Apr 2013 #48
Not now, maybe after the next massacre. I do get emotional when people get blasted by the dozens, jmg257 Apr 2013 #52
No change of heart. Clames Apr 2013 #57
Simply going by your evolving Statements, 1st you stated gun owners jmg257 Apr 2013 #59
You must be confused or projecting. Clames Apr 2013 #60
Uh huh, which you did, all the while you were spouting the how and why you and millions others jmg257 Apr 2013 #61
Still confused it seems. Clames Apr 2013 #62
Yep..confused by your contrasting statements...admittedly. jmg257 Apr 2013 #63
I'm not worried about violating any laws. Clames Apr 2013 #64
I don't assume anything...lesson learned...going by what you have said. jmg257 Apr 2013 #65
I found your cat. Clames Apr 2013 #66
Now that's funny! So anway, still waiting for you to own up. jmg257 Apr 2013 #67
Own up to what? Clames Apr 2013 #68
Your conflicting statements of course. You are law abiding or you aren't. jmg257 Apr 2013 #69
My my....what a Puritan you are. Clames Apr 2013 #70
Awww..so cute! I know, this is all rather tedious, and I did mention boring too. jmg257 Apr 2013 #71
Here take this. Clames Apr 2013 #72
Wow..big eyes! Its Ok, I have several semi-autos sitting in a safe! jmg257 Apr 2013 #73
Not as effective as kittens. Clames Apr 2013 #74
That one cracks me up! Careful, you'll scratch your eye out! jmg257 Apr 2013 #75
Nah only one of mine takes mags. Clames Apr 2013 #76
Are all those cats yours? jmg257 Apr 2013 #78
I wish. Clames Apr 2013 #79
Cats are cool, I'm more a dog person...used to be anyway. jmg257 Apr 2013 #80
Bingo. Clames Apr 2013 #81
True...Talk about poorly writtten laws, try deciding if an M1 jmg257 Apr 2013 #84
To be absolutely safe you could buy 5 round en bloc clips. Clames Apr 2013 #86
The Carbine is another winner...the SAFE Act USC Appendix A exception list jmg257 Apr 2013 #87
Or Charlton Heston! jmg257 Apr 2013 #77
Probably 80% of the laws on the books ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #38
Problem with your drug analogy.... Clames Apr 2013 #39
It's really irrelevant what particular class of law I use for the analogy ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #42
You are right alt one thing, there are thousands of of poorly written laws. Clames Apr 2013 #44
Hey - some pro-gun senator was just on with Wolf Blitzer. jmg257 Apr 2013 #46
I'll call Best Buy and have them send you a new TV. Clames Apr 2013 #49
Ha - now I don't care who you are - THAT is funny! :) jmg257 Apr 2013 #50
Thats an nra talking point? beevul Apr 2013 #55
Yep..you know those old 'criminals, by definition, break laws', 'if you outlaw guns...' jmg257 Apr 2013 #56
Everyone has a line in the sand. beevul Apr 2013 #89
Yes - they were all from NRA speakers. Wayne, Keene, lawsuit in NY. jmg257 Apr 2013 #90
Were they...? beevul Apr 2013 #91
You can figure out the nuances. I qouted NRA reps. Not sure how the points jmg257 Apr 2013 #92
Well, I don't know that 'difficult to enforce' necessarily equates to 'badly written' ... brett_jv Apr 2013 #54
Careful. That kind of rational thought earns labels from a few more vocal advocates. Clames Apr 2013 #58
I once built a bridge ... holdencaufield Apr 2013 #83
Really? LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #14
Tell me again how this is regulating interstate commerce kudzu22 Apr 2013 #15
Nothing in the OP says anything about interstate commerce. Clames Apr 2013 #17
Correct. My comment was directed at Congress, no the OP. kudzu22 Apr 2013 #19
Got ya now. Clames Apr 2013 #20
I think it would be much better if the definitions of 'transfer' simply excluded petronius Apr 2013 #21
What about CCW exclusion? Clames Apr 2013 #25
You read this law, interpreted it for yourself and upaloopa Apr 2013 #51
Exactly mwrguy Apr 2013 #97
But is it accurate? nt Skip Intro Apr 2013 #98
What do you mean by asking a question? upaloopa Apr 2013 #99
sarcasm? Skip Intro Apr 2013 #100
A prime example of failing the knowledge test. ManiacJoe Apr 2013 #102
I think the bill that actually gets passed madville Apr 2013 #101
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