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In reply to the discussion: LOL, has anyone actually read the "universal background check" legislation that has been proposed?? [View all]virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)11. Ok..
The inability to let someone else use YOUR firearm on their (or even yours, if it is away from your home) private property.. Also understand, that it is long settled law, considers things to be in your possession that are simply in a room (or a car) with you... Our insane drug laws has made this so.
(C) a temporary transfer of possession that
19 occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unli-
20 censed transferee, if
21 (i) the temporary transfer of possession
22 occurs in the home or curtilage of the unli-
23 censed transferor;
(ii) the firearm is not removed from that
2 home or curtilage during the temporary trans-
3 fer; and
4 (iii) the transfer has a duration of less
5 than 7 days; and
6 (D) a temporary transfer of possession with-
7 out transfer of title made in connection with lawful
8 hunting or sporting purposes if the transfer oc-
9 curs
10 (i) at a shooting range located in or on
11 premises owned or occupied by a duly incor-
12 porated organization organized for conservation
13 purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms
14 and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the
15 premises of the shooting range;
16 (ii) at a target firearm shooting competi-
17 tion under the auspices of or approved by a
18 State agency or nonprofit organization and the
19 firearm is, at all times, kept within the prem-
20 ises of the shooting competition; and
21 (iii) while hunting or trapping, if
22 (I) the activity is legal in all places
23 where the unlicensed transferee possesses
24 the firearm;
(II) the temporary transfer of pos-
2 session occurs during the designated hunt-
3 ing season; and
4 (III) the unlicensed transferee holds
5 any required license or permit.
6 (3) For purposes of this subsection, the term trans-
7 fer
8 (A) shall include a sale, gift, loan, return from
9 pawn or consignment, or other disposition; and
10 (B) shall not include temporary possession of
11 the firearm for purposes of examination or evalua-
12 tion by a prospective transferee while in the presence
13 of the prospective transferee.
19 occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unli-
20 censed transferee, if
21 (i) the temporary transfer of possession
22 occurs in the home or curtilage of the unli-
23 censed transferor;
(ii) the firearm is not removed from that
2 home or curtilage during the temporary trans-
3 fer; and
4 (iii) the transfer has a duration of less
5 than 7 days; and
6 (D) a temporary transfer of possession with-
7 out transfer of title made in connection with lawful
8 hunting or sporting purposes if the transfer oc-
9 curs
10 (i) at a shooting range located in or on
11 premises owned or occupied by a duly incor-
12 porated organization organized for conservation
13 purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms
14 and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the
15 premises of the shooting range;
16 (ii) at a target firearm shooting competi-
17 tion under the auspices of or approved by a
18 State agency or nonprofit organization and the
19 firearm is, at all times, kept within the prem-
20 ises of the shooting competition; and
21 (iii) while hunting or trapping, if
22 (I) the activity is legal in all places
23 where the unlicensed transferee possesses
24 the firearm;
(II) the temporary transfer of pos-
2 session occurs during the designated hunt-
3 ing season; and
4 (III) the unlicensed transferee holds
5 any required license or permit.
6 (3) For purposes of this subsection, the term trans-
7 fer
8 (A) shall include a sale, gift, loan, return from
9 pawn or consignment, or other disposition; and
10 (B) shall not include temporary possession of
11 the firearm for purposes of examination or evalua-
12 tion by a prospective transferee while in the presence
13 of the prospective transferee.
Again, consider house guests, when your out of town, the law could clearly entrap them, as it does people everyday for "illegal drugs".
Special note, notice the bit about having the "permit" for hunting, I wonder what happens if someone forgets to get a 2 dollar damage stamp, or forgets their license?? Did a federal FELONY just take place?
..the loss of a firearm, reporting..
IN GENERAL.Section 922 of title 18, United
13 States Code, is amended by adding at the end
14 (aa) It shall be unlawful for any person who lawfully
15 possesses or owns a firearm that has been shipped or
16 transported in, or has been possessed in or affecting, inter-
17 state or foreign commerce, to fail to report the theft or
18 loss of the firearm, within 24 hours after the person dis-
19 covers the theft or loss, to the Attorney General and to
20 the appropriate local authorities..
13 States Code, is amended by adding at the end
14 (aa) It shall be unlawful for any person who lawfully
15 possesses or owns a firearm that has been shipped or
16 transported in, or has been possessed in or affecting, inter-
17 state or foreign commerce, to fail to report the theft or
18 loss of the firearm, within 24 hours after the person dis-
19 covers the theft or loss, to the Attorney General and to
20 the appropriate local authorities..
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LOL, has anyone actually read the "universal background check" legislation that has been proposed?? [View all]
virginia mountainman
Mar 2013
OP
Do you find anything faulty with his assessment of the proposed law?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#2
To evaluate laws, ALL citizens must be lawyers. Another provision of the law.
Eleanors38
Apr 2013
#34
Only someone who is vehemently opposed to any form of gun control could like that asinine bill
tularetom
Apr 2013
#7
Great - but what about non-sales? Say I just want to "give" my gun to some perp,
jmg257
Apr 2013
#16
How about not going to federal prison? A procedure to enforce federal firearm laws
jmg257
Apr 2013
#22
Universal Background Checks are a good example, along with registration of course.
jmg257
Apr 2013
#27
I understand about gun owners ignoring the spirit of the law. AWB was a great example,
jmg257
Apr 2013
#29
Yep-let us compromise..by bribing "law-abiding" gun owners as the means to get them to...
jmg257
Apr 2013
#37
I know...I said I get it - if one is willing to break the law, then they don't worry about the law.
jmg257
Apr 2013
#41
Not now, maybe after the next massacre. I do get emotional when people get blasted by the dozens,
jmg257
Apr 2013
#52
Uh huh, which you did, all the while you were spouting the how and why you and millions others
jmg257
Apr 2013
#61
Awww..so cute! I know, this is all rather tedious, and I did mention boring too.
jmg257
Apr 2013
#71
Yep..you know those old 'criminals, by definition, break laws', 'if you outlaw guns...'
jmg257
Apr 2013
#56
Well, I don't know that 'difficult to enforce' necessarily equates to 'badly written' ...
brett_jv
Apr 2013
#54
Careful. That kind of rational thought earns labels from a few more vocal advocates.
Clames
Apr 2013
#58
I think it would be much better if the definitions of 'transfer' simply excluded
petronius
Apr 2013
#21