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gejohnston

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Sat Apr 5, 2014, 06:51 PM Apr 2014

Why did gangs rarely use guns before the Gun Control Act? [View all]


Miller's (1992) study indicated that gangs had become more dangerous than ever in the 1970's. He attributed this to four major motives: honor, defense of local turf, control [of facilities], and gain [of money and goods]. In the 1970's, "gang crime was more lethal than any time in history; more people were shot, stabbed, and beaten to death in gang-related incidents than during any previous decade . . . and the prevalence and sophistication of firearms used was unprecedented" (Miller, 1992:142).

Of course, my question is "why didn't they use them until then?" It couldn't be about access. until the Gun Conrol Act,all they needed was a Sears catalog and a money order. If they were in New York, they just needed a PO box in CT, or one of the many "undocumented pharmacies" to do it for them. Where I grew up, guns were, and are, in about 55-70 percent of the households. Yet when the cops had their "scare straight board" they would bring to health class in the 1970s they not only brought examples of various drugs and paraphernalia, but also confiscated weapons. Other than a rifle and shotgun that got the hacksaw treatment, the were knives and improvised medieval melee weapons. Which begs the question, why make a mace when you can rip off Mom's .38?
Was it because they wanted guns, but could not afford them?
Was it because guns were for "wusses", kind of like the criminal element in the UK even before UK had any gun control laws? (Starboard Tack referred to this as "the rules&quot
Was it because guns were associated with cops, outdoors people, and the "squares" in rifle club, while the King Bad Ass in the movies had switchblades and homemade zip guns?
http://www.ojjdp.gov/jjbulletin/9808/youth.html

http://newyorkcitygangs.com/
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/15/nyregion/with-brass-knuckled-tales-50-s-street-gang-looks-back.html
http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/43455_1.pdf
http://researchmatters.asu.edu/stories/professor-unearths-1950s-research-gangs-2052
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Murder rates are dropping considerably exboyfil Apr 2014 #1
Yes they are, but that's not where I'm going. gejohnston Apr 2014 #2
A point of reference exboyfil Apr 2014 #4
semi automatics existed then gejohnston Apr 2014 #5
There isn't any lobbing group like the NRA for the knife industry doc03 Apr 2014 #8
actually, not. gejohnston Apr 2014 #9
Lobbing. Straw Man Apr 2014 #16
Switchblade knives have no sporting use? Think about doc03 Apr 2014 #22
Sporting use. Straw Man Apr 2014 #23
A sport conceived by the firearms lobby to sell AR15s to wantabe COPs doc03 Apr 2014 #24
Amazing foresight sarisataka Apr 2014 #25
They didn't have competition with AR15s in 1903, don't try that doc03 Apr 2014 #27
no but gejohnston Apr 2014 #28
You can chose your hunting buddies but you can't stop the doc03 Apr 2014 #30
In 1903? Straw Man Apr 2014 #26
A switchblade knife is not illegal in Florida. spin Apr 2014 #20
check out gejohnston Apr 2014 #29
In the 50s, you could buy .32 revolvers for $7 at the counters Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #3
so you are saying it went from gejohnston Apr 2014 #12
I think so. But there is a strong element of "family substitute" Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #18
Sheer abundance and anonymity have worsened the situation. Loudly Apr 2014 #6
abundance, relative to population, hasn't changed. gejohnston Apr 2014 #11
Has gun ownership per household declined? Loudly Apr 2014 #13
I don't think so. gejohnston Apr 2014 #14
Assertions that such concentration is occurring. Loudly Apr 2014 #15
problem is gejohnston Apr 2014 #19
What about the days of Prohibition when the gangs used Thompson doc03 Apr 2014 #7
You are talking about the Mob, I'm talking about street gangs. gejohnston Apr 2014 #10
The 60's and 70's was the point in time that the "meaty" part of the Baby Boomers... krispos42 Apr 2014 #17
I suspect gang involvement in drug smuggling and distribution is a significant reason behind ... spin Apr 2014 #21
I agree that the drug trade had a great deal to do with the rise in firearm violence. Revanchist Apr 2014 #31
I remember the days when police carried revolvers and reloaded from "drop pouches." spin Apr 2014 #32
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