Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Ottawa gunman launched attack with slow-loading, John Wayne-style rifle: experts [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)ezra: Are you seriously trying to make the argument that owners of the most popular centerfire target rifle in America care more about shooting at "U.S. soldiers" than they do at 200-yard paper targets? Seriously?
Nope, didn't say that, reading comprehension gunner style I see, creating a false premise. Review what I wrote: ..about the only time an AR owner would need to be able to hit a playing card at 200 yds would be if he was shooting at 'tyrannical US soldiers'"
You left the adjective 'tyrannical' off 'US soldiers', false premise on your part. Then you used the false premise to create another one, asking if AR owners care more about shooting them, when I didn't suggest that; I said about the only time an AR's precision would be needed in America would be when the tyrannical govt takes over, you didn't hear? (prairie dogs are several times larger than playing cards, maybe a half magnitude).
ezra: We shoot around 14 *billion* rounds a year at paper, dude. The top centerfire caliber in the nation is by far the little .223 Remington, and the AR platform accounts for the vast majority of that.
What an utter waste of money. How much does one fmj cost these days?
ezra: No, the accuracy isn't a requirement at in-home distances (even a 4-MOA carbine can hit a quarter at 75 feet), but it's quite important for target shooting.
Tada, give this man a kewpie doll. For a couple percent of gunners, a half percent of Americans who own an AR15, target range orgasms justify allowing assault rifle auto-clones in communities??? (Malvo agrees)
ezra: Also don't forget that .223 is also the #1 long-range small-game hunting round in this country... but a .22 centerfire that won't hit a playing card at 200 yards is pretty useless for hitting a prairie dog at 200.
I would rather forget it. I'm sure there are dozens of suitable rifles at that range, rather than AR's. Otherwise stick with shorter range 22 longs & shorts & get closer, 10% the kinetic energy of a .223.
ezra ..one of the reasons the AR is so popular as a defensive carbine and as a LE patrol carbine is that .223 with light JHP's offers less downrange hazard than the alternatives, including shotguns using buckshot, primarily due to less penetration.
You mean in house as well? the practical solution is birdshot for the shotgun, & comparing the AR to worse offenders doesn't get it off the hook. And where's the link to the AR being most popular HD rifle? or however you put it.
ezra: ..more Americans own "assault weapons" than hunt. And yet rifle homicide has continued to drop since 2004.
Including in states which ban them I presume. I betcha moreso ratewise, how much you wanna? really dunno, you could win!
BTW, homicide rates have fallen since ~1993, along with falling gun ownership rates, (leveled off ~2000, roughly along with gun ownership rates) a real contributing reason imo for the drop in homicide rates has been the concomitant drop in gun ownership rates. Here's a really neat picture graph: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=154561
ezra: And of course, it is non-select-fire, like all civilian rifles.
But capable of being converted to full auto right? with a conversion kit or simple tools, like a flat file.