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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)267. Every answer I've given you has been a strait answer...
Last edited Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Every answer I've given you has been a strait answer, you either haven't read and interpreted what I said in any reasonable way, or you're pretending I've said things that I haven't actually said.
"You've acknowledged that the right may be "exercised at a collective level." Perhaps you could explain how the right was to be exercised on an individual level?"
I never said some rights could NOT be exercised at the collective level. And as to the right being exercised at the individual level - that is the right to keep and bear arms - that's a no brainer. Legally own or carry a gun, and you're exercising it at the individual level.
"And you haven't explained the contradiction in your statement."
There is no contradiction in my statements, other than what you've invented out of thin air.
"The only argument still afloat is that they protect the right of the people in their collective capacity."
Because you say so...right...go try that with the supreme court and see where that gets you. You are no more an arbiter of truth or fact here than you would be arguing before it.
The rights protected by Amendment 2 from government interference, are protected through restrictions on government contained in the amendment.
Amendment 2 protects rights which can be exercised both collectively and individually.
Amendment 2 makes no distinction between forbidding government interference with the right of the people to keep and bear arms, whether it be interference on the individual level or the collective level.
Therefore both are equally protected.
Game.Set.Match.
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The cumulative count will always increase unless people start rising from the dead.
hack89
Aug 2014
#6
An unsupported claim *and* a strawman in just one sentence. Well done!
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#24
Let me know when it drops below the rate of death from e-bola in the US.
notrightatall
Oct 2014
#202
And this is why I feel good about resisting the people that want me to ban you, SM
krispos42
Aug 2014
#8
You're "helping the cause" in the same way Ian Paisley used to "help" Unionism...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#17
So you think I'm being harassed for being the host of a group that bans gun nuts?
SecularMotion
Aug 2014
#26
Well the only place where opposing views to the ones presented in your echo chamber
shedevil69taz
Aug 2014
#31
A flat declaration of fact is now an "opinion", and a strawman is repeated
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#39
Rates declining is not the same as the proportion of guns used to commit homicide.
acalix
Aug 2014
#50
Great Post! The 2a is racist, unnecessary, and evil. It should be repealed.
ncjustice80
Sep 2014
#58
Bogus! That mofo just keeps popping up. Such clearly debunked bullshit, and it still comes up.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2014
#81
The Dred Scott decision was passed, in part, to prevent slaves from owning guns.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2014
#67
Hit and run cowards with hands on their keyboards are giving aid and comfort to the GOP. NT
pablo_marmol
Sep 2014
#70
I think you're right but I wouldn't blame movies and books and TV shows on the NRA.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2014
#72
Even if we accept your erroneous interpretation that would still make the 2A addressed to the people
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2014
#124
It's kind looking, from the passge you have cited, that individual liberty is the issue at hand.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2014
#129
The passage -- which was selected by you and is not the totality of the debate -- deals with
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2014
#140
Your entire line of argument is moot, thanks to the unorganized militia...
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#191
The ageist and sexist language wouldn't stand up to legal challenge
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#208
Your claim conflicts directly with the wording of the Second Amendment itself
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#216
The 'collective' reading of the Second Amendment is what's moot...
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#238