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Gun Control & RKBA

jimmy the one

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6. such dishonesty

Reply to Lurks Often (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:21 PM

Nov 2014

lurks often: How odd, crime is down while firearms sales reached all time highs

Firearms sales are high, but moreso to existing gun owners. The 'guns per capita' stat (or slt, maybe for adults, dunno) has increased from approx. 5 up to approx. 6.5 - a ~33% increase, which means you aren't getting new gun owners at a rate to keep up gun ownership rates, that is what has fallen.

but I keep being told that more guns = more crime.

More gun ownership rates appears to hold true with more crime & guncrime rates.

Seems some that post here ignore unpleasant facts that don't fit their agenda. Such dishonesty

Indeed. You are well aware of what I've just posted, it's been bandied about several times the last couple months.
When you just repeat the same false allegations --as you say, such dishonesty.

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The FBI violence stats for 2013 are out. [View all] benEzra Nov 2014 OP

It's not just homicides; all crimes are down. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #1

Good point about total crime being down! benEzra Nov 2014 #2

a real contributing reason for drop in crime jimmy the one Nov 2014 #3

Your post shows that gun ownership has kioa Nov 2014 #5

repeat jimmy the one Nov 2014 #7

No, gun ownership has been steady since the mid-1990s, while murders decreased 50%. benEzra Nov 2014 #9

BJS & gallup jimmy the one Nov 2014 #17

bjs murder rates stats jimmy the one Nov 2014 #18

Guns per capita vs murder rate. kioa Nov 2014 #19

california apples, florida oranges jimmy the one Nov 2014 #20

Hardly. Both my & your examples show zero correlation between guns per capita & murder rates. kioa Nov 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #22

We weren't supposed to notice that TX has more guns per capita and less murder than CA friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #23

buy a new deck of cards jimmy the one Nov 2014 #24

You are now contradicting what you've been claiming in the other thread friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #25

"I have a sneaking suspicion you're not playing with a full deck of cards. " blueridge3210 Nov 2014 #26

et tu jimmy the one Dec 2014 #27

Um, yeah. blueridge3210 Dec 2014 #28

Oh, really? Did a bunch of guns just disappear? Did they magically vaporize? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #12

'Tragic canoeing accidents'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #16

How odd, crime is down while firearms sales reached all time highs Lurks Often Nov 2014 #4

such dishonesty jimmy the one Nov 2014 #6

"You are well aware of what I've just posted"-and it's just as true now than it was then friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #8

I am struck by decline in handgun homicides. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #10

50,000 stolen guns a year are more than enough to supply all the criminals with guns..... Logical Nov 2014 #11

a claim of 50,000/year melm00se Nov 2014 #13

What? That is only guns stolen from FFL holders. Not home burglarys, etc. Not sure..... Logical Nov 2014 #14

Here you go, I was wrong, it was 190,000 in 2012....... Logical Nov 2014 #15