Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: A discussion of rifle ammunition bans and .223/M855 murders, by the numbers. [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)straw man: I've never seen such a bunch of back-pedaling bullshit in my life. AK-47? The entire previous discussion was .223.
Soak your head you make me ill; your error is 'thinking' I referred to only an m16 or ar15 et al when I wrote: Couldn't do this with higher recoil rifles. I was (generally) NOT including the m16 or ar15 here - I have often written how light the recoil of the m16 & ar15.
strawman: You were comparing the same round in long guns and handguns. Now you're trying to pretend it was something else.
No, wrong. I was noting the difference between guns with light recoil due the .223, vs guns with heavier bullets with larger recoil which thus would not be able to fire several shots in succession into the same spot on a bullet vest due rifle rise after one shot, that's a fact knucklehead. That you read too much into it, using your strained reasoning, & discount the clarification, is expected from unscrupulous you.
review what I wrote & see how it makes sense: The level III bpv could stop one 223 perhaps, but due the quick fire capability of a handgun with .223 bullets, with little recoil, holding the handgun steady & braced could allow shooter to quickfire perhaps 3 bullets into a body wearing a level III bpv, thus concentrating rapidly 3 bullets into the one location. Seems to me this would be supercharged. Couldn't do this with higher recoil rifles.
One probably COULD do this with an ar15 at close range, even at range I suppose, but I was not including the ar15 as a rifle with 'higher recoil'. Proof follows, I wrote: It seems that up close, repeated braced pistol .223s would be more accurate than repeated braced .223s from an AR15 fired from a distance... thus I am allowing for ability for ar15 to do it, whereas 'higher recoil' rifles could not, due rifle rise.
straw man: If that's what you originally meant (and I very much doubt it was), then the failure in communication was entirely yours. Comprehension my ass.
As I said, I've previously argued the light recoil of the m16 & ar15, & contrasted to heavier bullets & recoil. So if what you were to say to be true, I'd be arguing against what I've written previously.
mar 2013: The m1 garand has a greater recoil which of course generally hinders accurate fire. The m1 does have a greater range due the heavier bullet. The m16 has little recoil, a girlie man could use it easily.
The m16(ar15) 0.223 (5.56) tends to fragment into two after it enters a body, creating two separate bullet paths, which can.. cause grotesque wounds. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=114551
sep 2014: If the rifle or shotgun gives one 'bone jarring recoil' then it's the wrong gun for the person, he/she should get another gun with less recoil (& recoil concern is not applicable to m16 or ar15/bushmaster - aks ok, but a bone jarring recoil is 'desirable' in a criminals hands). http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=153543