Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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Gun Control contributed to a womans death in NJ [View all] virginia mountainman Jun 2015 OP

Explanations and excuses to come bluestateguy Jun 2015 #1

Kentucky woman shoots boyfriend to give him the nose job he wanted... Human101948 Jun 2015 #41

re: "The state failed her", she had yet to submit her fingerprints for her background check. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #117

or the state did not get the fingerprint information back from the Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #125

It will be interesting to find out when (or even IF) Berlin Township's PD submitted S_B_Jackson Jun 2015 #255

That really would not surprise me Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #256

And there you have it bluestateguy Jun 2015 #127

That's the *fourth* time you've repeated this untruth. From now on, you've no excuse: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #165

Ok, I didn't realize that was the first step in NJ. However, the police still didn't have her prints Electric Monk Jun 2015 #167

In this day and age of electronics, there is no excuse for a background check GGJohn Jun 2015 #168

No joke... virginia mountainman Jun 2015 #170

"I didn't realize that was the first step.." That didn't stop you from blaming her, did it? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #169

It was the killers fault, but she did make some bad choices along the way, too. Or do you deny that? Electric Monk Jun 2015 #171

Not at all- but those choices are irrelevant. Sadly, Bowne's family has little recourse: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #172

still trying to victim blame Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #178

the sad part Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #177

Well, she is a woman, and may have been wearing a skirt. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #189

No, you didn't. Straw Man Jun 2015 #199

I agree Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #208

Do you know if NJ has a literacy test in order to obtain a gun? Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #188

Some of you may be surprised, but I've come around. Taking longer than 30 days to approve Electric Monk Jun 2015 #175

so two weeks and you still at least partially blame the victim Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #179

The truth is that I just don't believe you. oneshooter Jun 2015 #214

yes, you are right Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #215

New Jersey. GGJohn Jun 2015 #2

They just don't get it at all..... virginia mountainman Jun 2015 #3

That is what they do not get Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #11

I am quite sure Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #4

Did she explore other methods of self-defense, such as pepper spray, for example? Electric Monk Jun 2015 #5

Her desired method of proven effective self defence.. virginia mountainman Jun 2015 #6

It was her choice to want a firearm Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #7

pepper spray/mace is often ineffective gejohnston Jun 2015 #8

Wow, he went very quiet Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #9

So, being denied her first choice, she didn't even explore other options? That seems unwise. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #21

no, it wouldn't have gejohnston Jun 2015 #26

Since we're playing hypotheticals, let's imagine she got the handgun, then he shows up Electric Monk Jun 2015 #47

That was common in gun control propaganda in the 1970s gejohnston Jun 2015 #50

It is too bad Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #52

If she wasn't "intimidated" by NJ's Kafkaesque bureaus, she wasn't going to be afraid to use a gun. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #190

Oh lovely. The tired, misogynistic "women aren't as competent as men" canard. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #210

sigh Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #216

It looks like the problem sarisataka Jun 2015 #10

Beat me to it. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #13

Yep, the gun control seemed to work well Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #14

I believe this is the part where the CDC said Shamash Jun 2015 #12

I would be surprised if EM shows back up here Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #15

I've been making chicken stew for dinner, but thanks for staying classy, as always. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #19

Excuse me honey Shamash Jun 2015 #23

Honey? Because I cook? How blatantly sexist of you, but par for the course among gunthusiasts. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #28

I'm guessing English is your second language, otherwise you would have understood what I wrote. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #33

I got it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #42

Proper English would have had the quotation marks around the whole thing. Putting quotes only Electric Monk Jun 2015 #76

Ah, so you -did- understand it, you just -chose- to misrepresent it. Thanks for clarifying. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #89

Yeah, he does that a lot. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #93

And once again you sir are not the host over here. Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #24

That's chutzpah sarisataka Jun 2015 #29

Have to give him credit on that Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #44

That was disgusting DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #79

Chicken stew? GGJohn Jun 2015 #35

OT: chicken stew discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #86

Sounds good, burgers here Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #95

I bought beef and pork chops yesterday as well discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #97

We had Chicken Cacciatore over Bow tie Pasta tonite. GGJohn Jun 2015 #99

chicken-fried venison, browned red potatoes, fresh broccoli. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #191

OMG!!! GGJohn Jun 2015 #102

That is indeed Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #105

The killer was a previously convicted felon, with a history of violence and weapon offenses Electric Monk Jun 2015 #109

Because blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #110

So you are blaming the victim for her death. GGJohn Jun 2015 #113

Also, she had yet to submit her fingerprints for her background check. But blame the state anyway :/ Electric Monk Jun 2015 #114

"maybe not date that asshole in the first place" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #156

yep, I agree it is just sick and should be edited or self deleted Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #158

Convicted felon with a history of violence and weapon offenses. What a catch! Dreamy! nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #162

Do you expect people to run background checks when dating? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #163

Victim blaming again I see. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #164

"Of course it's the attacker's fault ma'am sarisataka Jun 2015 #173

Well, that's one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #16

Of many sarisataka Jun 2015 #17

How do you control the suicides? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #18

You keep flogging that 30,000 number like it is useful Shamash Jun 2015 #20

Actually I didn't know that, I'd never seen those graphs before. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #22

actually, if you remove suicides, it is closer gejohnston Jun 2015 #27

I stand corrected. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #30

Death rate by guns per capita is 12 times greater in USA than Australia... Human101948 Jun 2015 #38

For reference Shamash Jun 2015 #51

We also have a murder rate about four times that of Australia... Human101948 Jun 2015 #181

no, we have more drug addiction and larger gang culture gejohnston Jun 2015 #186

And, extending that logic, guns are only part of the solution discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #187

shamash's weird illogical notions jimmy the one Jun 2015 #263

The host here Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #46

And btw, I won't post anything more in here, I just realized Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #25

The gungeon is pretty toxic, indeed. That's why GCRA was created. See you over there :) nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #31

Toxic because of people like you hack89 Jun 2015 #36

And attempt to bait us to get a hide or a ban. GGJohn Jun 2015 #37

Yes it is Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #54

Sent you a PM on a jury results last night. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #60

Thanks, I see that Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #62

I am quite sure who is alert stalking me Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #63

Toxic to people who think the solution to America's gun violence problem isn't "more guns". Electric Monk Jun 2015 #39

If we're so toxic, GGJohn Jun 2015 #40

xkcd Electric Monk Jun 2015 #45

The difference between the 2 of us is GGJohn Jun 2015 #56

We do not require a "safe haven" Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #61

The OP made a very valid point about a specific instance tularetom Jun 2015 #161

Who here has actually said that? hack89 Jun 2015 #43

nobody here Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #65

I see back to the cartoons Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #57

Toxic to those who think scraping and reposting cartoons is helping to achieve their stated goals friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #150

Hoo-WEE! Betcha the NRA paid royalties to Bennett to reprint that 'toon. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #193

Yes this group allows all viewpoints Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #48

Seems unlikely Shamash Jun 2015 #32

Beware of groupthink sarisataka Jun 2015 #34

We welcome opposing views here....it's what makes America great. ileus Jun 2015 #184

where are shamash's irrelevant graph links? jimmy the one Jun 2015 #262

Your candidate seems to think that there is an "elitism in the anti-gun" movement bluestateguy Jun 2015 #108

Amanda Collins and the victim after her. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #157

OK and where where the eyes behind her head license due to come in? hollysmom Jun 2015 #49

that is a purchase to buy, not take out of her house gejohnston Jun 2015 #55

I am fine with your other answers but your last line is totally non sequitur. hollysmom Jun 2015 #70

your case is unusual gejohnston Jun 2015 #73

blaming this on gun control is ridiculous and one of the tactics of the most vile gun nuts bowens43 Jun 2015 #53

Thanks for adding another voice of sanity down here :) nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Jun 2015 #69

Yes there is reason gejohnston Jun 2015 #59

And there's no fucking reason to believe that if the state hadn't broken the law GGJohn Jun 2015 #64

The facts speak for themselves. virginia mountainman Jun 2015 #66

name calling is what some resort to Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #68

See post #69 in this very thread for a great example of that. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #74

What the one the user self deleted Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #77

It was a rude personal attack, and he knows with 1 more hide he's back in timeout. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #88

It was a rude personal attack, and he knows with 1 more hide he's back in timeout. GGJohn Jun 2015 #91

At least he moderated it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #92

Because I didn't want to give you any reason to alert on me, not that you need a reason, GGJohn Jun 2015 #85

Yes I suspect he does like to alert. Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #94

and you know this how? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #67

You have made clear sarisataka Jun 2015 #176

Well, it's nice that you think the ex is innocence..... daleanime Jun 2015 #71

Huh? GGJohn Jun 2015 #72

It was the ex-boyfriend that actually killed her, not NJ's gun laws. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #75

actually going by the logiic of the pro-controllers Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #78

I'll remember that blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #80

He does dig deeper Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #82

It was NJ's draconian gun laws that prevented her from obtaining a gun, GGJohn Jun 2015 #83

What if he'd used a gun, would it be his fault or the guns? beevul Jun 2015 #257

The guy could have killed her before she even upaloopa Jun 2015 #81

well since the knife killed her Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #84

I said he could have killed her before she upaloopa Jun 2015 #90

But he did not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #98

re: "The state failed her", she had yet to submit her fingerprints for her background check. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #112

Does that mean she did not submit them? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #118

If I delete anything you'd still reference it forever, but paraphrase it wrong and out of context. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #120

My friend to blame the victim is just sick Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #122

I blame the killer, Michael Eitel. He was the one responsible for Ms Bowne's murder. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #131

Yes, Michael Eitel is responsible for the actual killing of her, GGJohn Jun 2015 #134

no, by your sides logic, the knife killed her Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #135

A man with a knife killed her. A man with a gun could have killed her easier and from further away. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #139

Well then I hope you correct all of those in your Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #140

Totally different sarisataka Jun 2015 #146

says it all right there Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #149

Truly worth 1000 words...nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #267

Reading (comprehension) is fundamental. blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #119

Try reading comprehension, GGJohn Jun 2015 #121

Then your problem is with Christie's NJ govt bureaucracy, not the required background check. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #124

You'll do anything to defend NJ's draconian gun laws huh? GGJohn Jun 2015 #126

He dig the very deep hole Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #130

No, it is with the gun control laws you and others love Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #129

That is the most contorted logic to support gun bullshit I have ever read. It's like you saying boo upaloopa Jun 2015 #182

Ah, the classic WATB rebuttal. How devastatingly substantive. Shamash Jun 2015 #183

They just do not get it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #185

But NJ's draconian gun laws took that choice away from her, GGJohn Jun 2015 #87

exactly...if she really cared about personal safety, she would have acquired a ileus Jun 2015 #261

I have read the comments on both sides. Allow me to summarize. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #96

Nobody here has said no background check, nobody. GGJohn Jun 2015 #100

And what of the story that my father-in-law told me? eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #101

What of it? GGJohn Jun 2015 #106

We'll never know because she failed to submit her fingerprints for her background check. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #115

Wrong, GGJohn Jun 2015 #123

That is not what was said Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #132

So you admit the rest of that post was made up bull Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #107

Could you point me to the OP? Shamash Jun 2015 #103

What the original post said was: guillaumeb Jun 2015 #116

I believe you said you read through the comments Shamash Jun 2015 #133

and point to one person that said Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #104

May I critique your summary sarisataka Jun 2015 #142

George Bernard Shaw wrote to a critic of his latest work... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #194

There would have been a background check gejohnston Jun 2015 #144

To everyone bemoaning NJ gun laws here, did you catch the fact that Ms Bowne had yet to submit her Electric Monk Jun 2015 #111

And again, you're 100% wrong. GGJohn Jun 2015 #136

He will not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #137

I admit that I've never done a background check for a gun permit. I feel no need to own a gun. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #143

Well many of us have Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #145

I respect your desire to not own a firearm, GGJohn Jun 2015 #148

I've also never submitted fingerprints to buy a gun Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #166

This has totally changed my mind. cheapdate Jun 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #138

Even Texas (and the other 49) require a NICS b.g. check when purchasing from a dealer. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #196

Personally that people who get restraining orders should be issued a gun free of charge... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #141

There is always the chance if she had had a firearm Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #147

Yes, there is that chance Kalidurga Jun 2015 #152

and yet, she MIGHT be alive Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #154

No I am saying that she might be Kalidurga Jun 2015 #155

We have completely inadequate means to address domestic violence gejohnston Jun 2015 #151

I don't think things are actually better. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #153

I don't have any experience in that area, gejohnston Jun 2015 #159

I would like to think so too, but my experience lends me to think that no that support is not there. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #160

So why not go buy a long gun... Historic NY Jun 2015 #174

not really Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #180

But again your just speculating.... Historic NY Jun 2015 #192

And you are not speculating? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #195

The cops weren't but please proceed......... Historic NY Jun 2015 #197

What are you talking about? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #198

200 : This is what controllers want...a larger and easier victim pool for criminals to choose from. ileus Jun 2015 #200

There is no evidence that having a gun would have saved her life Warpy Jun 2015 #201

We have -plenty- of evidence for what -not- having one did. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #202

True a gun is not sarisataka Jun 2015 #203

That's why I didn't take police advice and buy a gun when I was being stalked Warpy Jun 2015 #204

A perfectly valid choice sarisataka Jun 2015 #205

I remember the parable of pistols and the sneakers discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #211

well that was your choice and I support it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #207

Too bad the government and gun control laws Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #206

The Controllers make me want to heave on a regular basis. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #209

Bet a certain person alerts Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #212

I considered that, but didn't want to hold my tongue this time. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #217

It will probably pass Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #231

Like you guys don't alert when your preciouses get offended. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #219

I don't alert, I prefer to let a post stand for all to see, GGJohn Jun 2015 #220

Shall I post the results of your last alert against me that went against you 0-7? GGJohn Jun 2015 #221

Shall I post your transparency page from the last time you were in the timeout chair? Electric Monk Jun 2015 #222

Go ahead, you already did. GGJohn Jun 2015 #223

Yes a couple of us have been stalked Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #226

Oh, I have more than a good idea, but it would be considered a call out to name GGJohn Jun 2015 #227

yep and that poster, WHOEVER it is, Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #229

You're forgetting that it takes a jury to hide a post, not just an alert. Your posts were hidden Electric Monk Jun 2015 #230

yes, by juries and most 4-3 Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #233

And it wouldn't go to a jury unless it was alerted on, GGJohn Jun 2015 #235

Must be Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #237

Believe me or don't, but the majority of your guys hides weren't from alerts by me. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #240

Oh, I do Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #241

Y'know what? I think I'm gonna take a few days off from the gungeon. Have fun without me. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #242

"Have fun without me." pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #243

I think it must be embarrassing Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #244

Now how am I supposed to believe that when you were begging the other night GGJohn Jun 2015 #246

sad to say, I think the other night is the true side Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #248

.... GGJohn Jun 2015 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Jun 2015 #245

"Your posts were hidden BY JURIES." pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #253

I like the pleading part Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #225

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #224

You've called me dishonest, so what difference does it make what I answer, and why do you even care? Electric Monk Jun 2015 #232

yep, that one was Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #234

And I liked what juror #2, juror #5, and juror #6 said about your alert. GGJohn Jun 2015 #238

#2 and #6 are the best Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #239

.... GGJohn Jun 2015 #260

you have to be very careful Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #228

I think it is highly likely you may have alerted on me, but I have no proof Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #236

You forgot "cowardly" Shamash Jun 2015 #213

That I did. And probably a few other terms of endearment. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #218

Apparently some victims are more important than others Matrosov Jun 2015 #249

^Disingenuous, ignorant, forgetful or lying, you decide Shamash Jun 2015 #250

Someone got his delicate feefees sunburnt by the harsh light of truth Shamash Jun 2015 #251

Nice double snap there... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #252

LOL, back to the echo chamber... virginia mountainman Jun 2015 #254

The morale of this thread is... beevul Jun 2015 #258

That is a true statement Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #259

2 months of dragging their feet...if only she'd lived in a good state she may still be alive. ileus Jun 2015 #264

Compare and contrast... sarisataka Jun 2015 #265

A right delayed is a right denied. In this case, permanently. N/T beevul Jun 2015 #266

Wow - a simple, succinct summation of the entire OP. Well done. nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #268