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tblue37

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78. For a taste of what "gun culture" means, google "gun wedding" and then click "images."
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:34 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

When people's guns are so important to them that they must display their guns prominently in virtually every situation, especially those marked as important rites of passage, then they think of their culture as being defined by their passion for guns. Their guns are the "stars" of almost every scene--or at least their love of and relationship with their guns star in every scene.

When television shows and movies (and video games, too, of course) make it seem as though shooting at someone or something is the way to deal with almost any difficulty, that is gun culture. Kids grow up in a milieu that normalizes the use of guns as a way to settle disputes, express anger and frustration, or simply express one's social status and power.

When cops automatically reach for their guns when they interact with citizens who do not immediately bow and scrape submissively enough before their "authoritah," that is gun culture.

When people sleep with their loaded guns right by their beds, so they can grab them while still groggy after being awakened from a deep sleep and shoot at any sound or movement in the dark (without bothering to find out whom they are shooting at, and thus all too often killing their own loved ones), that is gun culture.

When people become the gun-owner version of cat ladies and other out of control hoarders, that is gun culture.

When terror that the government will snatch their precious away, or at the very least forbid them to purchase any more guns or ammunition, provokes gun lovers into panicky runs on stores that sell guns, so the sellers can hardly keep up with the demand, that is gun culture.

In gun culture the only truly inalienable right is the right to pack heat, and single-issue RKBA voters will elect any dangerous demagogue, regardless of his stance on other really important issues, as long as he squawks loudly enough in defense of their right to stockpile unlimited quantities of of guns and ammunition and to carry their guns aggressively into public spaces, scaring the caca out of people who just want to go about their normal activities.

In gun culture, an endless sequence of gun massacres--no matter how many die, no matter how innocent or young the victims are--cannot have any influence on the debate about reasonable laws pertaining to responsible gun ownership.

And when guns kill so many people, many of them children, each year, each day, in the US--a bloody harvest that we just don't see in other First World nations--that is gun culture!

From nbcnews.com:

<SNIP>

• Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.

• Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.

• Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)

• One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)


<SNIP>

Guns and kids:

• 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)

• More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)

Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense) <emphasis added>

• Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/16/16547690-just-the-facts-gun-violence-in-america?lite
It's a weapon of war in our streets. Many who post here have no problem with that. villager Jun 2015 #1
A lot of people want a totally deregulated "wild west" delrem Jun 2015 #3
A lot of otherwise smart people here are blindered on this issue by the NRA villager Jun 2015 #4
The "I only target shoot" crowd should be easily won over to reason. delrem Jun 2015 #7
They're not. Many are posting tonight that it's a "culture war" villager Jun 2015 #8
I don't know what "gun culture" means. delrem Jun 2015 #9
You know what "gun culture" means everytime you hear of nine people snuffed out in mere seconds villager Jun 2015 #10
Oh come on. Nobody is posting favoring that. delrem Jun 2015 #12
We will need your good wishes. villager Jun 2015 #13
I say again: target shooters and honest hunters ought to be within reach of reason. delrem Jun 2015 #15
In the US, there is a prohibition lobby gejohnston Jun 2015 #43
In the US there is a *proliferation* lobby villager Jun 2015 #49
update gejohnston Jun 2015 #55
Here's what I don't understand: Saviolo Jun 2015 #58
no gejohnston Jun 2015 #60
For a taste of what "gun culture" means, google "gun wedding" and then click "images." tblue37 Jun 2015 #78
Kinda puts it in perspective Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #86
Oh, let's talk gun culture (but not race). Is that the ticket? Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #46
It's the degree to which racists are steeped in gun culture... villager Jun 2015 #50
Racists are often indivisible from violence, esp. Bombs & Ropes. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #51
And guns. villager Jun 2015 #52
Only one instrumentality seems to interest you. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #53
You were quite interested in omitting it. villager Jun 2015 #54
Maybe because there are far greater concerns than instrumentality? Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #56
Only for those in denial about how critical the instrumentality is in these massacres villager Jun 2015 #57
Oh, denial deshmial. BTW, do you think the Deacons for Defense had it wrong? Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #82
Ask her family: villager Jun 2015 #83
I asked you. I think your action is called... deflection? nt Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #84
Deflection? Projection on your part. Listen, as much of a good guy as you are in other threads... villager Jun 2015 #85
Serious competition target shooter here, and no need to win me over. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #37
If I may, in all this talk of "culture," we should recognize the U.S. & Canada are 2 separate ones Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #48
We have big problems in this society, and you want to talk gun bans? Lord. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #47
Americans don't have a right to unregulated access to firearms either hack89 Jun 2015 #25
correction gejohnston Jun 2015 #74
Not true. delrem Jun 2015 #75
I watched the trial gejohnston Jun 2015 #76
It's the "ZOMG MODERN LOOKING RIFLES ARE A HUUUUUGE THREAT" crowd that are the science deniers. benEzra Jun 2015 #32
Good questions. More good questions (I think): merrily Jun 2015 #2
If our leaders cared enough, things could happen BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #5
Was it an AR-15? BainsBane Jun 2015 #6
And handguns are used much more often than an AR-15 in shootings, GGJohn Jun 2015 #11
My point was a question and an observation BainsBane Jun 2015 #14
How do you expect to be taken seriously with filthy strawmen like this: pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #16
Some virulent collective guilt-tripping is more equal than other virulent collective guilt-tripping friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #18
"If only you all cared as much about human life as your precious guns" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #17
As long as you (disgustingly) feel the need to draw political mileage from this tragedy....... pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #19
You're misrepresenting the pro-gun position. Per usual. beevul Jun 2015 #20
Does waving that bloody shirt get tiring after a while? hack89 Jun 2015 #23
Well it is in the actual Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #63
Jury results -- Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #64
"Can you not answer the question? " hack89 Jun 2015 #66
Someone is under the impression... beevul Jun 2015 #68
Jury Results oneshooter Jun 2015 #70
Apparently not BainsBane Jun 2015 #81
And not even close to being correct Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #62
Actually, it's not. benEzra Jun 2015 #30
the point was not homicides BainsBane Jun 2015 #33
And what kind of gun was used in the worse school shooting in US history? hack89 Jun 2015 #40
I doubt it was an AR or any kind of rifle gejohnston Jun 2015 #41
Not in mass shootings, either. benEzra Jun 2015 #42
Then you'll enjoy my thread on that topic krispos42 Jun 2015 #65
From reports, not the gun used in SC. But these are meddlesome details, no? Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #44
Unlikely krispos42 Jun 2015 #59
Appears not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #61
No, it was a handgun of 104 year old design, with 7 round mags. N/T beevul Jun 2015 #71
As far as I know, it's never been said any better discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #73
Very possibly a pump shotgun. beevul Jun 2015 #21
it would be a far shorter list of the ones that can't. krispos42 Jun 2015 #22
The same firearm is used by police and civilians to protect lives all the time. ileus Jun 2015 #24
He has no problem Shamash Jun 2015 #26
Any number of firearms could. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #27
a bomb? alc Jun 2015 #28
The kind that's three times less deadly than malpractice. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #29
"Church carry" could've prevented this Matrosov Jun 2015 #31
maybe not prevented... ileus Jun 2015 #34
It will take longer sarisataka Jun 2015 #35
I don't know Shamash Jun 2015 #36
Would you deny worshippers the right to be armed in church? nt Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #45
On the other hand... beevul Jun 2015 #72
pistols used in the Olympics and World Cup could gejohnston Jun 2015 #38
A pistol first made 104 years ago. nt hack89 Jun 2015 #39
Do we know for sure it was a 1911? aikoaiko Jun 2015 #67
By all accounts so far, it was a 1911 beevul Jun 2015 #69
This Is a Little Delicate The Roux Comes First Jun 2015 #77
According to the witness, he reloaded at least five times, benEzra Jun 2015 #80
Colt Model 1911 45 caliber semiautomatic hand gun mikehiggins Jun 2015 #79
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