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Gun Control & RKBA

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beevul

(12,194 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 03:37 PM Jun 2015

X-post from GCRA: Okay, I'm finally there. Ban the import, manufacture and sale of semiautomatic... [View all]

Okay, I'm finally there. Ban the import, manufacture and sale of semiautomatic weapons with removable magazines. Every one of them. Long, short all of them. Do a buy back for those who would like to be rid of them.

Why? Two things: a shooter is limited in the number of people he can shoot only by the physical strength to carry ammunition and I'm tired of negotiating from the point of reason which is where we all want to be instead of the extreme. Start with a total ban and move to something reasonable like a national registry, may issue, local background checks including social media.

It's a common practice of the pro gun side the negotiate any policy proposal into ineffectiveness. Oh, sure! we can have UBC but only if the NICS is open to us gunners and we don't have to BC relatives and close friends and we don't have to keep records of transfers and on and on and on.

Yeah! we can buy into a registry if there are are exceptions for our favorite whatever and nobody ever knows that guns are registered and on and on and on.

The Gun Lobby has successfully done this to every piece of legislation that managed to get passed.

Fuck it. Start from the extreme like they do and negotiate to something reasonable.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12629148


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It's a common practice of the pro gun side the negotiate any policy proposal into ineffectiveness.


It seems to me, that criminal shooters 'negotiate' said policy proposals which make it onto law, into ineffectiveness, and the answer is always to come back demanding more, as the author does.
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How about the banning of all weapons of mass death? WDIM Jun 2015 #1
Banning certain firearms with certain features is useless Matrosov Jun 2015 #2
Rove is wrong about that too gejohnston Jun 2015 #3
I like this part Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #4
Another idea that has no basis in reality Lurks Often Jun 2015 #5
"Semiautomatic" is the Dihydrogen Monoxide of the gun control movement. benEzra Jun 2015 #6
Let me be the first in this thread to post this CTyankee Jun 2015 #7
are we supposed to take that as comedy or an actual argument? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #8
I think you missed the point. Humor is often meant to mock, to poke holes in CTyankee Jun 2015 #9
why do I sense that your definition of sensible is very different for the two. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #10
I said we can reform gun laws just as we reformed drug laws in many states. CTyankee Jun 2015 #11
I laughed but I already told you I found the irony of a drug addict pushing prohibition to be funny. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #12
It's broad satire but therein lies some truths...the slavery bit was delicious. CTyankee Jun 2015 #13
why do you automatically equate failure to perform clffrdjk Jun 2015 #14
The majority of people in this country support gun control. The polls have been pretty clear. If a CTyankee Jun 2015 #15
Really? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #16
oh, did I say australian style gun control? CTyankee Jun 2015 #20
What gun control measures should I have assumed you were pushing? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #24
the dichotomy between public support for gun control and the lack of political will CTyankee Jun 2015 #26
I don't see how you can separate the two. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #28
well, we all have an investment in public safety. That is a value. CTyankee Jun 2015 #29
What are the limits of that discussion? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #30
Uh, because of public slaughter in our midst caused by guns. CTyankee Jun 2015 #31
Tasmania had some of those laws gejohnston Jun 2015 #32
When slaughter with guns becomes a regular thing, steps like these will reduce the CTyankee Jun 2015 #33
Actually, they didn't gejohnston Jun 2015 #38
I'm afraid your "facts" on Australia are not what the majority of research has found. CTyankee Jun 2015 #43
fair questions gejohnston Jun 2015 #48
Yeah, Kates and Kleck have been in this thing as far back as I can remember... CTyankee Jun 2015 #49
Kleck is actually mainstream gejohnston Jun 2015 #50
um, pot and coke dollars at work! Holy shit, I've been deceived all these years! CTyankee Jun 2015 #51
you really are misinformed gejohnston Jun 2015 #52
copy paste really? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #34
Oh, please, now don't be trivial. This is serious...I just loved that post and agreed with CTyankee Jun 2015 #35
I have already seen it, I wasn't too impressed then either. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #39
Naw, I'll never get the support of your believers...I don't expect to. CTyankee Jun 2015 #45
haha haha clffrdjk Jun 2015 #46
I'm going to say this one more time: as I explained our gun politics are in a death CTyankee Jun 2015 #58
yea it's the NRA it most definitely can't be the Millions of people like me. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #60
still on the copy/paste thing? Got anything else? CTyankee Jun 2015 #64
yup and I posted it too. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #65
It's a shame, really blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #47
I explain this over and over again. Your side doesn't listen or can't hear and CTyankee Jun 2015 #57
Seems if "most of the population" supported your proposals blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #61
The unpleasant truth is that you think the NRA is just playing patty cake when it comes CTyankee Jun 2015 #63
Oh boy clffrdjk Jun 2015 #66
why would joe manchin from a pro gun state write it that way? CTyankee Jun 2015 #68
manchin himself didn't vote for the bill because of the amendments. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #70
I believe you are correct but I am wondering why he would go to t he trouble of co- CTyankee Jun 2015 #72
doing something is not doing the right thing. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #76
saying that not doing anything in the face of the daily slaughter in our streets CTyankee Jun 2015 #77
who said anything about not doing anything? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #83
Yes, whatever your "norm" is I am far out of it. CTyankee Jun 2015 #84
It is not my norm clffrdjk Jun 2015 #86
depends on how you ask the question, as always... CTyankee Jun 2015 #88
ask it any way you want. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #90
I guess on some points we will agree to disagree... CTyankee Jun 2015 #91
I can agree to disagree, that is fine by me. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #94
Or when you try to take away mine. CTyankee Jun 2015 #100
I have never advocated for the restriction of anyone's rights. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #104
So you are a pure libertarian, I guess. CTyankee Jun 2015 #106
grab the pitchforks we are going on a witch hunt. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #107
um, what? I thought we were discussing rights and I was bringing up CTyankee Jun 2015 #108
No you were accusing me of being a libertarian. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #113
oh, good lord, no offense was meant. I'm trying hard to be sensitive and not upset you. CTyankee Jun 2015 #114
Anyone with a felony conviction blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #74
more Americans are in favor of gun control than opposed so that cannot be the basis of CTyankee Jun 2015 #78
Again, blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #79
and those people would march into the buzz saw in Washington and find out that CTyankee Jun 2015 #80
Your reasoning is completely circular. blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #81
so we are back to the starting point which is throwing up our hands and saying that CTyankee Jun 2015 #82
I'm not saying nothing can be done. blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #85
well, driving drunk essentially "weaponizes" automobiles which is not their basic CTyankee Jun 2015 #87
The argument is not impaired. blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #89
Theres not enough gun control there for the usual suspects. beevul Jun 2015 #92
It certainly seems that way some days. blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #93
Its a right, not a privilege. beevul Jun 2015 #36
well, free speech is a right and it is subject to "time, place and manner" restrictions. CTyankee Jun 2015 #37
"well, free speech is a right and it is subject to "time, place and manner" restrictions." beevul Jun 2015 #40
that's not weeding out the bad apples clffrdjk Jun 2015 #41
have you seen the numbers from the safe act? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #17
I dunno. What do we do with others in society who violate the law? oops, scusi, "choose CTyankee Jun 2015 #21
better get to building prisons clffrdjk Jun 2015 #25
I'll ask my son for an answer to your question. He is a senior prosecutor in the office CTyankee Jun 2015 #27
The "Majority" just never gets around to actually ever voting that way, do they? DonP Jun 2015 #19
well, there is no anti-gun lobby in this country as strong as the NRA. CTyankee Jun 2015 #22
Ah yes, Jim Jefferies ... Straw Man Jun 2015 #18
Oh, would you like to discuss misogyny? CTyankee Jun 2015 #23
I would like to discuss the fact ... Straw Man Jun 2015 #53
I will speak to his ideas on a subject, thank you very much. CTyankee Jun 2015 #54
His "ideas"? Straw Man Jun 2015 #55
oh, my, so much bitterness in your tone. Calm yourself, he's just one person... CTyankee Jun 2015 #56
I'm just fine, thanks. Straw Man Jun 2015 #59
Promise you'll talk about ideas? If you are game, I sure am... CTyankee Jun 2015 #62
You haven't been able to keep to a chosen subject yet. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #67
humor is lost...guess I really need to be careful...meant to be a bit playful... CTyankee Jun 2015 #69
too cute by half. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #71
oh, jeez...I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings... CTyankee Jun 2015 #73
You don't get the benefit of the doubt when one post prior you are saying let's stick to the ideas. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #75
well, I certainly don't want to be insensitive if my words upset anyone... CTyankee Jun 2015 #96
nothing emotional about that, it shows just exactly how sincere and trustworthy you are. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #103
OK. Let's talk about ideas. Straw Man Jun 2015 #95
from what I have read the Aussies were successful with their gun control. CTyankee Jun 2015 #97
You were wrong. Straw Man Jun 2015 #98
I say that about the intruder being a family member because I recently saw a news CTyankee Jun 2015 #99
Yup, more propaganda. Straw Man Jun 2015 #101
I'm here like you are to speak my piece and learn if anything is offered that hasn't CTyankee Jun 2015 #105
oh, and the aussies. We could go into dueling sources on those stats, what you have CTyankee Jun 2015 #102
the Aussies don't have federal laws gejohnston Jun 2015 #109
hmm, interesting statement "dictated to." I'll have to definitely check that out... CTyankee Jun 2015 #110
check that out? gejohnston Jun 2015 #111
no, I'll be fair...I don't always go to places that confirm what I believe... CTyankee Jun 2015 #112
good to hear the case went well gejohnston Jun 2015 #115
Good comedy! Thanks for posting! ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #42
Sure is, isn't it? CTyankee Jun 2015 #44
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