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gejohnston

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31. I will give you credit for rubbing the surface,
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

but not quite scratching it. You didn't exactly refute anything I said.

If you subtract the twenty worst cities and gangs, our murder rate is about the same as Germany's.
I may have misspoke that it would be the same as Germany's, but it would be closer.

So that's more than half the states that have a HIGHER than national murder rate.
Yes, all of the twenty worst among those states. Some with more than one. For example, Michigan has Detroit and Flint. New Jersey has Trenton and Newark. It is the high gang cities that off set the rest of the state. Our murder rate is very localized. You used Louisiana as an example. Let's take a closer look at Louisiana.
New Orleans had a murder rate of 57.6 per 100K. In total, half of all murders in the state are in New Orleans. New Orleans is less than ten percent of the population. If NOLA were to become its own state or country, the state's murder rate would be about 4.8 per 100K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Louisiana

Of course, New Orleans is lower now than then. It is now less than 40 per 100K.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2015-1

Each of these states have at least one city that is a drug distribution hub and tend to have gang issues. BTW, why is North Dakota on the list?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state Given the drop over the past couple of decades, I doubt North Dakota had a spike, unless it has for the same reason Wyoming's spiked. The oil fields and fracking industries tend to send us other state's problems. Not so much the workers or the families themselves, it is the seedy "camp followers".
Kinda so what? EdwardBernays May 2016 #1
Generally speaking, gun murders are 50% lower with many more guns in civilian circulation. Kang Colby May 2016 #2
Here's the thing EdwardBernays May 2016 #5
Japan has almost no private gun ownership TeddyR May 2016 #6
yes and? EdwardBernays May 2016 #9
Since Japan contradicted your point? TeddyR May 2016 #14
False. Kang Colby May 2016 #12
we really don't gejohnston May 2016 #3
There you go, bringing facts into the discussion. theatre goon May 2016 #4
those weren't facts EdwardBernays May 2016 #8
Oh, I'm sorry... theatre goon May 2016 #10
Use Google EdwardBernays May 2016 #11
Actually, they were speculation. Straw Man May 2016 #41
When they don't have an answer to what was actually stated... theatre goon May 2016 #43
not true EdwardBernays May 2016 #7
Please. Kang Colby May 2016 #13
Are you saying Jews with guns would have stopped the 'final solution'? angstlessk May 2016 #16
No, but gun ownership would have made it more difficult...in my opinion. Lives would have been saved Kang Colby May 2016 #17
A few guns against the government is suicide...what lives would have been saved? angstlessk May 2016 #18
Tell that to the Viet Cong, Afghans, or dozens of other groups throughout history. Kang Colby May 2016 #22
Are you proposing insurrection of the US? angstlessk May 2016 #23
No. Kang Colby May 2016 #24
No I have read Howard Zinn's History of the United States angstlessk May 2016 #25
Sadly, I'm unfamiliar with Howard Zinn. I might have to check out his books sometime. Kang Colby May 2016 #26
I have audio.com and have gifted Howard Zinns book to many angstlessk May 2016 #28
That sounds great. Thank you for the offer. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #35
1200 saved by the Bielski group. Straw Man May 2016 #40
Defiance CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #47
The wisdom of Tuvia discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #48
Seems the US has a murder problem TeddyR May 2016 #15
Murder by gun problem angstlessk May 2016 #20
unknown, however gejohnston May 2016 #32
There are stories almost daily TeddyR May 2016 #46
Three times as many people are murdered each year with knives... benEzra May 2016 #59
How many of those states have a rate that... beevul May 2016 #21
Ahhh EdwardBernays May 2016 #42
Yes, assume actions on the part of people who don't even exist, and we'll get somewhere. beevul May 2016 #53
Well EdwardBernays May 2016 #54
I wasn't "saying" anything. I was ASKING... beevul May 2016 #55
I assume EdwardBernays May 2016 #56
So many misconceptions ... Straw Man May 2016 #57
Yes. You do. beevul May 2016 #58
I will give you credit for rubbing the surface, gejohnston May 2016 #31
"a bizarre obsession with guns" says more about you than it does anyone else. N/T beevul May 2016 #19
"Kinda so what?" How mediocre and unimaginative. We have big improvement, but... Eleanors38 May 2016 #50
Not when it's your child Iliyah May 2016 #27
The U.S. is much safer today than any point within the last fifty years. Kang Colby May 2016 #30
I'm still mad Iliyah May 2016 #33
Why? Kang Colby May 2016 #34
Respectfully, the causes of ALL crime and homicides should be studied more... Eleanors38 May 2016 #49
"would put our murder rate on par with Denmark or Australia" CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #29
Some food for thought. I think it is interesting that when Americans are led to believe violence doc03 May 2016 #36
I don't think it is the same population gejohnston May 2016 #37
Well I guess I have to spell it out the firearms industry's biggest doc03 May 2016 #38
no they are not. gejohnston May 2016 #39
You can't tell me the NRA doesn't promote the violence is out of control doc03 May 2016 #44
I haven't seen any such claims gejohnston May 2016 #45
Except it isn't! scscholar May 2016 #51
Please tell me, especially with your handle, that this is sarcasm whatthehey May 2016 #52
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