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benEzra

(12,148 posts)
35. Thank you. We agree on something. That's a start.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:19 PM
Sep 2016
it makes no sense to ban assault weapons by definition

Thank you. We agree on something. That's a start.

let's ban the function that makes them so lethal.

They're not "so lethal". Rifles account for fewer deaths than any other type of weapon in the United States, even though detachable-magazine semiautos are the most common rifles in U.S. homes, and by far the most common rifles used in the shooting sports.

No semi auto weapons with interchangeable magazines, period.

Haha, now you sound like the Catholics who demand a ban on all hormonal contraceptives. Run the numbers. That'd be one of the fastest ways I can think of for your movement to slide completely into irrelevance.

Not many members of your personal echo chamber may own semiautos, but that doesn't mean semiautos as a group aren't the most popular rifles on the market. I don't have the numbers handy, but I'd expect that two thirds or more of the civilian rifle market is semiauto---not just all the modern-looking centerfires and .22's, but the old-fashioned ones like the Mini-14, the 10/22, and all those Remingtons and Savages and Marlins. Not. Going. To. Happen.

Mini-14's aren't even banned in California, Massachusetts, or New York City, for Pete's sake. Mini-14's, AR-15's, 10/22's, and all manner of other detachable-mag semiautos are legal in Canada and most of Europe, and you think you're going to outlaw them in the United States?

Stop pussy footin round with hand grips and bayonet lugs. Just ban the things that make them more lethal than wheel guns

They're not "more lethal than wheel guns (sic)"; revolvers kill ten times more Americans annually than all rifles combined, not just those with detachable magazines. All told, semiauto rifles of any type account for maybe a third as many annual deaths as bicycles do (722 people died riding bicycles in the most recent year I have stats for). Once again, you're forgetting that all rifles combined account for less than 350 deaths/yr out of 13,500 or so, and semiautos are only a subset of that.

By discarding the silly handgrip-aesthetic rules (which even you admit are ludicrous) and going after all detachable-mag semiautos, all you've done is expand the number of people you want to threaten with prison for rifle ownership, from the ~25-30 million who own modern-looking rifles to the, what, 50-60+ million who own any detachable-magazine semiauto rifle?

But that doesn't matter, because you hate rifles and the people who own them, so you don't give a fuck about inconvenient facts like the FBI data on weapon misuse.

As to handguns, how many of your fellow citizens own handguns now---70, 80 million? You're not going to ban them, period. So you might think about focusing on getting them out of the hands of the few thousand urban criminals that commit 80% of U.S. murders (ever heard of Project Ceasefire?), rather than trying to take them away from the lawful and nonviolent. But of course, your posts make clear that you despise vetted carry license holders far more than you despise the felons who actually commit most homicides.
which is the deadliest round? [View all] beergood Sep 2016 OP
In terms of number of fatalities, I've read its the humble .22 LR DonP Sep 2016 #1
I was told a while back... freebrew Sep 2016 #2
should all semi-autos beergood Sep 2016 #4
nope freebrew Sep 2016 #17
than why is the ar 15 beergood Sep 2016 #3
Because it looks scary and people think its an automatic weapon that the military uses. n/t Waldorf Sep 2016 #18
.22 has been around the longest too DonP Sep 2016 #5
thats for the first beergood Sep 2016 #6
I think it was for a Smith & Wesson pocket pistol DonP Sep 2016 #7
agreed beergood Sep 2016 #9
My great, great grandfather bought his men Henry's and Sharps DonP Sep 2016 #10
screw you beergood Sep 2016 #11
I wish I'd inherited just one of those Henry's or Sharps DonP Sep 2016 #12
Quite a tale, DonP. ^^^ Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #13
Thanks for sharing interesting family history DonP! NT pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #22
will someone beergood Sep 2016 #8
Consider it done GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #20
They do not like any discussion in that group Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #21
not a suprise beergood Sep 2016 #31
The one that hits you. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #14
Some data on which bullets hit the most people was just released today... benEzra Sep 2016 #24
Great. Since hand guns kill 5 times more than rifles do flamin lib Sep 2016 #25
The prohibitionists have certainly tried. benEzra Sep 2016 #26
I just turned your own logic on it's head. flamin lib Sep 2016 #27
have you evevr beergood Sep 2016 #30
Ah yes, the slippery slope. Straw Man Sep 2016 #32
As for ignition systems, the firelock was a significant improvement over the matchlock, Marengo Sep 2016 #33
Thank you. We agree on something. That's a start. benEzra Sep 2016 #35
You are beginning to sound batshit crazy. flamin lib Sep 2016 #36
flamin lib advocates voting away citizen's right to keep and bear arms GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #37
I thought the other guy was a bit off. Now I get you. flamin lib Sep 2016 #38
The Second Amendment to the Constitution does not grant a right GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #39
In that case please stop citing the second amendment and the bill of rights. flamin lib Sep 2016 #41
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a natural right GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #48
Okay. Natural law (or rights) stems from a philosophical tradition and is based on nothing flamin lib Sep 2016 #49
flamin lib makes up their own definition of "natural right" GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #50
Should one decide unilaterally that it's a good idea to ban most or all semi-auto arms... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #51
You are not worth my time. flamin lib Sep 2016 #52
Twenty one minutes to get banned and four post to go on ignore GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #53
"Okay. Natural law (or rights) stems from a philosophical tradition and is based on nothing" beergood Oct 2016 #56
Yep. Just like slavery and the way we have treated (and still do) Native Americans. flamin lib Oct 2016 #58
"I know beer is good but you should clear your head and see the world as it is, not how you want it" beergood Oct 2016 #60
*sigh* Everything you cite here is just more philosophy. flamin lib Oct 2016 #61
Don't you know that good and evil is all in your mind? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #62
am i in the ignore list? beergood Oct 2016 #59
"Well recognized gungeon tactic: can't have a conversation with just one gunner" Nah, not true. DonP Sep 2016 #40
Most Western nations DON'T ban detachable-magazine semiautos... benEzra Sep 2016 #42
Live by your own? flamin lib Sep 2016 #43
That you consider rifle ownership to be comparable to human trafficking and child porn... benEzra Sep 2016 #44
Excuse me but I seem to have missed something. flamin lib Sep 2016 #45
Yes, you have. Straw Man Sep 2016 #47
You have been advocating banning people's rifles all up and down this thread, benEzra Sep 2016 #55
Ya' left out the semi auto pistols. flamin lib Oct 2016 #57
I'm sure you would. And undoubtedly revolvers, and "riot guns", and "sniper rifles"... benEzra Oct 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Oct 2016 #64
Gun control advocacy attracts bullshit artists, like all prohibitionism. DU is not exempt friendly_iconoclast Oct 2016 #65
agreed beergood Oct 2016 #66
But they are not trying too Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #28
the well aimed one that hits the target melm00se Sep 2016 #15
I'd add.. Littlepawkitty Oct 2016 #67
You're short on criteria discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #16
^^^ Exactly this. ManiacJoe Sep 2016 #19
^^ Yup. NT pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #23
good questions beergood Sep 2016 #29
I have a 300 Winchester Magnum The Green Manalishi Sep 2016 #34
I think a lot of it depends on placement and skill gejohnston Sep 2016 #46
The one that deathrind Sep 2016 #54
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