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Response to gejohnston (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:12 AM

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"No. I believe in basing policies on facts and evidence, not ideology."

Then you must be ok with the links on the Mass Shooting Tracker website, since they are to actual news sources, right?

"Maybe he scrubbed after being discovered and called out. "

If that is the case, then we can be even more confident that he is correct in listing 470 mass shootings for 2016, right?

"Yes, but how are you going to take those guns from gangs? "

We are getting further away from my main point about gun violence, but perhaps there are things that can be done to combat these guns. If I am not mistaken, many handguns used by gangs are stolen. Thus, if we were to just ban handguns (and law-abiding owners would certainly turn theirs in), there would be a lot less opportunity to steal them. This would of course be unconstitutional under the current reading of the 2A, but if a ban were likely to pass then I would think an amendment to the amendment would also likely pass (i.e. neither is very likely to pass at this stage). If they were banned to normal gun owners, the gang supply should dry up over time. This would require more border security to ensure no one is smuggling.

Other than banning handguns, there are probably some economic steps we could take to combat gang violence (by getting them jobs instead), but they are not gun related.

"It isn't human nature, it is culture. As for knife vs gun, dead is dead unless it is about culture war and not the real issue. "

You yourself mentioned chinese knifings, and every culture has violence inside. Knives and guns can both kill, but it is way harder to kill many people with a knife than with a gun. This is literally the reason guns were invented.

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