Joe the Plumber? Please. (Reply #60) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California [View all]

Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #53)

Sun May 26, 2019, 01:28 PM

Straw Man (5,557 posts)

60. Joe the Plumber? Please.

I realize that he's not directly claiming the right to murder others, but it is saying that the right of gun owners to kill and maim with those guns is more important than anyone else's right to life.

I repeat: There is no "right to kill and maim." There is a right to own a weapon. The question is this: Do we take away rights from all because some abuse them?

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101 replies	Author	Time	Post
Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California [View all]	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	OP
Nice! Gun fetishists putting our kids at risk.	sharedvalues	May 2019	#1
Wrong on multiple levels.	Straw Man	May 2019	#2
Some folks manufacture guns	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#3
This message was self-deleted by its author	EX500rider	May 2019	#4
Pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy. That was merely the latest example.	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#5
Wow, that's a long thread!	MarvinGardens	May 2019	#6
NRA is a terrorist organization	sharedvalues	May 2019	#7
None of which substantiate your original claim. We've seen this sort of thing before:	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#8
I know I'm old when	gejohnston	May 2019	#9
nra indirectly condones death by guns	jimmy the one	May 2019	#10
This message was self-deleted by its author	Alea	May 2019	#11
If the Parkland asshole	gejohnston	May 2019	#12
Ah, "indirectly" ...	Straw Man	May 2019	#14
Some truly believe that mere repetition of a claim is a sign of veracity...	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#17
Would you prefer the term "willingley facilitates"?	guillaumeb	May 2019	#28
Not at all.	Straw Man	May 2019	#48
The modern NRA is a front organization for the weapons industry.	guillaumeb	May 2019	#58
Correction.	Straw Man	May 2019	#59
We disagree. eom	guillaumeb	May 2019	#63
Yes, we do.	Straw Man	May 2019	#64
And we're back	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#65
flapdoodle in the straw	jimmy the one	May 2019	#70
Let me make it clearer for you.	Straw Man	May 2019	#73
You didn't address: NRA is a terrorist organization	sharedvalues	May 2019	#13
Not that I disagree- but mere repetition of a claim is no indicator of truth	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#16
The NRA is a terrorist organization, though.	sharedvalues	May 2019	#18
"You didn't address my point" Said 'point' is merely a repeated claim, made with much handwaving...	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#20
The NRA gets our kids killed. Therefore it enables terrorism.	sharedvalues	May 2019	#22
Any solution in mind ? n/t	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#23
Solution to NRA getting kids killed: disband the NRA	sharedvalues	May 2019	#24
You're aware that the lobbying org is the ILA right? n/t	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#25
You're aware how much gun and ammo CEOs funnel to the NRA right?	sharedvalues	May 2019	#43
I wasn't aware that CEOs funnel any guns or ammo to the NRA.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#51
"Disband the NRA" by mindlessly parroting your claims to everyone we know?	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#32
You have to admit without the NRA, the only guns left would be muskets & Colt SAAs	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#33
You seem to misunderstand how politics works.	sharedvalues	May 2019	#42
Gay marriage was achieved by action, not mindless repetition of slogans...	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#62
Willful misunderstanding.	sharedvalues	May 2019	#66
Some of us understand empty sloganeering quite well...	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#74
Denial.	Straw Man	May 2019	#47
I see no advocacy of the killing of school children ...	Straw Man	May 2019	#15
God the bull shit never ends does it. Bad parenting? Combined with a fucking GUN!	wasupaloopa	May 2019	#30
Yes -- bad parenting.	Straw Man	May 2019	#45
less gun ownership rates the reason for less shootings	jimmy the one	May 2019	#71
Clinton-era declines are a red herring.	Straw Man	May 2019	#72
red herring in the straw	jimmy the one	Jun 2019	#90
Feh. Chronic logorrhea in the service of bluster	friendly_iconoclast	Jun 2019	#91
Relevance.	Straw Man	Jun 2019	#92
strawker forgets gun control & decline in gun ownership rates	jimmy the one	Jun 2019	#93
Implication.	Straw Man	Jun 2019	#94
egg face foot mouth syndrome	jimmy the one	Jul 2019	#96
It took you a while ...	Straw Man	Jul 2019	#97
LA Times article was pro gun control	jimmy the one	Jul 2019	#98
NSS.	Straw Man	Jul 2019	#99
not speculation	jimmy the one	Jul 2019	#100
Yes, speculation.	Straw Man	Jul 2019	#101
What does the NRA do to prevent school shootings? Actually they work toward more	wasupaloopa	May 2019	#29
What does Bloomberg do?	gejohnston	May 2019	#40
Expecting the NRA ...	Straw Man	May 2019	#49
No no no no the tool is made for killing and is used to kill children in school. That you	wasupaloopa	May 2019	#52
Don't presume ...	Straw Man	May 2019	#61
...........	gejohnston	May 2019	#19
Sometimes the best one can hope for...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#21
Guns make us safer!	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2019	#26
The fact that we have the second amendment that has been interpreted	wasupaloopa	May 2019	#31
re: "...the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#34
"I care about the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."	MarvinGardens	May 2019	#36
Right. When gun advocates say out loud (and they do) that	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2019	#38
implicitly to murder me or anyone else, is more important than my right to life	gejohnston	May 2019	#41
Really? I am affected by non existant gun laws if I	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2019	#44
Just some general discussion	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#55
actually, there are thousands of gun laws in the US	gejohnston	May 2019	#57
BTW, about the lands down under	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2019	#88
Odd ...	Straw Man	May 2019	#46
Wasn't it Joe the Plumber	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2019	#53
Joe the Plumber? Please.	Straw Man	May 2019	#60
Just a few fine points here	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2019	#95
The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS. And Scalia got bought by gun companies	sharedvalues	May 2019	#77
Have a link:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#82
That's just false. Here's some truth for you.	sharedvalues	May 2019	#83
Enjoy the flat earth while you can n/t	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#84
I'm sorry you choose to persist in bad-faith arguments	sharedvalues	May 2019	#85
re: bad-faith	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2019	#86
An obvious (and clumsy) propagandist lecturing others about 'bad faith'?	friendly_iconoclast	Jun 2019	#89
Guns get our kids killed	sharedvalues	May 2019	#75
Guns are designed to kill.	guillaumeb	May 2019	#27
I might accept that sniper rifles are designed to kill but guns in general? Not so much other guns.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#35
Guns are designed to kill.	guillaumeb	May 2019	#37
If guns in general aren't designed to kill, then what are they designed for?	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2019	#39
This gun ...	Straw Man	May 2019	#50
I bet if you get in front of a gun designed	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2019	#54
Just to make a point:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#56
Once again, with rare exceptions guns are designed to kill living things.	PoindexterOglethorpe	May 2019	#67
A difference without a distinction	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#68
Further	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#69
You completely ignore self defense in all your replies	Alea	May 2019	#78
re: "If someone you love and care about...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jun 2019	#87
Evidence that the NRA is a terrorist organization.	sharedvalues	May 2019	#76
Authoritarians and moral panic-mongers love the "Won't somebody think of the children?" schtick	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#79
You're not the first demagogue to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children...	friendly_iconoclast	May 2019	#80
Here's a link:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2019	#81

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