Gun Control & RKBA

sharedvalues

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83. That's just false. Here's some truth for you.

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #82)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:46 PM

May 2019

You’ve been lied to by gun CEOs that want to make money and don’t care if they get Americans kids killed.
Don’t be a useful idiot for the gun lobby.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment
The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.
By MICHAEL WALDMAN May 19, 2014

Michael Waldman is president of the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law. He is the author of The Second Amendment: A Biography.
“A fraud on the American public.” That’s how former Chief Justice Warren Burger described the idea that the Second Amendment gives an unfettered individual right to a gun. When he spoke these words to PBS in 1990, the rock-ribbed conservative appointed by Richard Nixon was expressing the longtime consensus of historians and judges across the political spectrum.

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Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 OP

Nice! Gun fetishists putting our kids at risk. sharedvalues May 2019 #1

Wrong on multiple levels. Straw Man May 2019 #2

Some folks manufacture guns discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author EX500rider May 2019 #4

Pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy. That was merely the latest example. friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #5

Wow, that's a long thread! MarvinGardens May 2019 #6

NRA is a terrorist organization sharedvalues May 2019 #7

None of which substantiate your original claim. We've seen this sort of thing before: friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #8

I know I'm old when gejohnston May 2019 #9

nra indirectly condones death by guns jimmy the one May 2019 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Alea May 2019 #11

If the Parkland asshole gejohnston May 2019 #12

Ah, "indirectly" ... Straw Man May 2019 #14

Some truly believe that mere repetition of a claim is a sign of veracity... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #17

Would you prefer the term "willingley facilitates"? guillaumeb May 2019 #28

Not at all. Straw Man May 2019 #48

The modern NRA is a front organization for the weapons industry. guillaumeb May 2019 #58

Correction. Straw Man May 2019 #59

We disagree. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #63

Yes, we do. Straw Man May 2019 #64

And we're back discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #65

flapdoodle in the straw jimmy the one May 2019 #70

Let me make it clearer for you. Straw Man May 2019 #73

You didn't address: NRA is a terrorist organization sharedvalues May 2019 #13

Not that I disagree- but mere repetition of a claim is no indicator of truth friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #16

The NRA is a terrorist organization, though. sharedvalues May 2019 #18

"You didn't address my point" Said 'point' is merely a repeated claim, made with much handwaving... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #20

The NRA gets our kids killed. Therefore it enables terrorism. sharedvalues May 2019 #22

Any solution in mind ? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #23

Solution to NRA getting kids killed: disband the NRA sharedvalues May 2019 #24

You're aware that the lobbying org is the ILA right? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #25

You're aware how much gun and ammo CEOs funnel to the NRA right? sharedvalues May 2019 #43

I wasn't aware that CEOs funnel any guns or ammo to the NRA. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #51

"Disband the NRA" by mindlessly parroting your claims to everyone we know? friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #32

You have to admit without the NRA, the only guns left would be muskets & Colt SAAs discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #33

You seem to misunderstand how politics works. sharedvalues May 2019 #42

Gay marriage was achieved by action, not mindless repetition of slogans... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #62

Willful misunderstanding. sharedvalues May 2019 #66

Some of us understand empty sloganeering quite well... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #74

Denial. Straw Man May 2019 #47

I see no advocacy of the killing of school children ... Straw Man May 2019 #15

God the bull shit never ends does it. Bad parenting? Combined with a fucking GUN! wasupaloopa May 2019 #30

Yes -- bad parenting. Straw Man May 2019 #45

less gun ownership rates the reason for less shootings jimmy the one May 2019 #71

Clinton-era declines are a red herring. Straw Man May 2019 #72

red herring in the straw jimmy the one Jun 2019 #90

Feh. Chronic logorrhea in the service of bluster friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #91

Relevance. Straw Man Jun 2019 #92

strawker forgets gun control & decline in gun ownership rates jimmy the one Jun 2019 #93

Implication. Straw Man Jun 2019 #94

egg face foot mouth syndrome jimmy the one Jul 2019 #96

It took you a while ... Straw Man Jul 2019 #97

LA Times article was pro gun control jimmy the one Jul 2019 #98

NSS. Straw Man Jul 2019 #99

not speculation jimmy the one Jul 2019 #100

Yes, speculation. Straw Man Jul 2019 #101

What does the NRA do to prevent school shootings? Actually they work toward more wasupaloopa May 2019 #29

What does Bloomberg do? gejohnston May 2019 #40

Expecting the NRA ... Straw Man May 2019 #49

No no no no the tool is made for killing and is used to kill children in school. That you wasupaloopa May 2019 #52

Don't presume ... Straw Man May 2019 #61

........... gejohnston May 2019 #19

Sometimes the best one can hope for... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #21

Guns make us safer! PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #26

The fact that we have the second amendment that has been interpreted wasupaloopa May 2019 #31

re: "...the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #34

"I care about the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." MarvinGardens May 2019 #36

Right. When gun advocates say out loud (and they do) that PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #38

implicitly to murder me or anyone else, is more important than my right to life gejohnston May 2019 #41

Really? I am affected by non existant gun laws if I PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #44

Just some general discussion discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #55

actually, there are thousands of gun laws in the US gejohnston May 2019 #57

BTW, about the lands down under discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #88

Odd ... Straw Man May 2019 #46

Wasn't it Joe the Plumber PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #53

Joe the Plumber? Please. Straw Man May 2019 #60

Just a few fine points here discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #95

The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS. And Scalia got bought by gun companies sharedvalues May 2019 #77

Have a link: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #82

That's just false. Here's some truth for you. sharedvalues May 2019 #83

Enjoy the flat earth while you can n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #84

I'm sorry you choose to persist in bad-faith arguments sharedvalues May 2019 #85

re: bad-faith discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #86

An obvious (and clumsy) propagandist lecturing others about 'bad faith'? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2019 #89

Guns get our kids killed sharedvalues May 2019 #75

Guns are designed to kill. guillaumeb May 2019 #27

I might accept that sniper rifles are designed to kill but guns in general? Not so much other guns. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #35

Guns are designed to kill. guillaumeb May 2019 #37

If guns in general aren't designed to kill, then what are they designed for? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #39

This gun ... Straw Man May 2019 #50

I bet if you get in front of a gun designed PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #54

Just to make a point: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #56

Once again, with rare exceptions guns are designed to kill living things. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #67

A difference without a distinction discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #68

Further discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #69

You completely ignore self defense in all your replies Alea May 2019 #78

re: "If someone you love and care about... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #87

Evidence that the NRA is a terrorist organization. sharedvalues May 2019 #76

Authoritarians and moral panic-mongers love the "Won't somebody think of the children?" schtick friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #79

You're not the first demagogue to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children... friendly_iconoclast May 2019 #80

Here's a link: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #81