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Response to Straw Man (Reply #72)

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

90. red herring in the straw

straw man: Clinton-era declines are a red herring.

Being part & parcel of the very time frame you argue, more flapdoodle in the straw.

straw man: The drop in accidental firearms death began in the 1980s, in the dark heart of the Reagan era.

The drop in firearm deaths 'began in the 80's' he says, as if that in itself meant the 'clinton era declines' were irrelevant.

~2016: "In 1981, the National Vital Statistics System recorded 1,871 unintentional firearm deaths nationwide. Over the next three decades, that number would steadily decline down to 1,441 in 1991, 802 in 2001 and 591 in 2011. The annual tally leveled off around the high 500s in 2008, but the reduction that preceded it is impressive, mysterious, and almost never discussed, even among gun policy experts." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-accidents/

Ergo, from 1981 to 1991, call it the 'reagan era', unintentional/accidental firearm deaths dropped 23%; from 1991 to 2001 (clinton era) accidental firearm deaths dropped by 44.3%; from 2001 to 2011 the bush era, accidental FA deaths dropped 26%.
The largest accidental firearm death declines came during the clinton era from 1991 to 2001, consistent with the drops in firearm homicides & suicides from the gallup, pew & gss surveys which showed ~30% drops in firearm ownership rates during the clinton era, linked in my previous post.
The drops during the bush era are also reflective of the drops in firearm ownership rates sustained during the clinton years, tho there was some fluctuations & upticks.
So the predominance of the declines in accidental firearm death & death rates came during during or after the clinton years, where an approx 30% decline in firearm ownership rates occurred, both personal & household.

straw man's original premise: ... you are aware, I'm sure, that accidental shootings have fallen considerably since the 1980s, even as there are more and more guns in circulation. To what would you attribute that? Could it be ... safety training?

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