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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
63. It's been considered here several times before, and shown to be false
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:57 PM
Aug 2019
https://www.theroot.com/2nd-amendment-passed-to-protect-slavery-no-1790894965

2nd Amendment Passed to Protect Slavery? No!

Note that the above was written by an actual law professor, and not a graduate of The University Of What Somebody
Claimed On The Internet, and published on a decidedly left-leaning African-American website

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Finkelman

Finkelman grew up in Watertown, New York, where he attended public schools. He received his undergraduate degree in American studies from Syracuse University in 1971, and his master's degree and doctorate in American history from the University of Chicago in 1972 and 1976. At Chicago, he was a student of Stanley Nider Katz and John Hope Franklin and a contributor to the volume, The Facts of Reconstruction: Essays in Honor of John Hope Franklin, edited by Eric Anderson & Alfred A. Moss, Jr. (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, c.1991). Finkelman was also a Fellow in Law and Humanities at Harvard Law School, 1982–83.

...He received fellowships from the National Endowment for the Humanities, the American Philosophical Society, the Library of Congress, Yale University, Harvard Law School, and the American Council of Learned Societies. American institutions at which he was a resident scholar include: Transylvania University, Mississippi State University, the University of Seattle School of Law, and St. Bonaventure University. In 2009, Finkelman gave the Nathan A. Huggins lectures at the W.E.B. DuBois Center at Harvard University. His 2018 book Supreme Injustice: Slavery in the Nation's Highest Court[2] was based on these lectures...

Finkelman has also written numerous entries for encyclopedias and reference works. More than eighty short book reviews he has written have appeared in a wide variety of scholarly journals. His essays, op-eds and blogs have been published in the New York Times, The Washington Post, USA Today, The Baltimore Sun, the Huffington Post, theRoot.com, and other non-scholarly avenues. Among them have been about Thomas Jefferson's relationship with slavery[19] and several concerning the American Civil War in the Disunion section of the New York Times' The Opinionator blog.[20] While at the SUNY Binghamton, Finkelman edited the 18-volume Articles on American Slavery, collecting nearly 400 important articles on slavery in the United States, which Garland Publishing published in 1989...


In case the above hasn't made it clear, Finkleman is no fan of Thomas Jefferson or the slave states:

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/thomas-jefferson-statues-latest-target-campaigners-us#survey-answer



Paul Finkelman, author of Slavery and the Founders: Race and Liberty in the Age of Jefferson, said that he couldn’t judge how colleges should deal with Jefferson statues, but he said that the history is clear.

“I don't think you go around honouring people for behaviour that was truly awful, and Jefferson’s relationship with slavery and race was truly awful, even from his own times,” Finkelman said. “This is not looking back from now,” he stressed.

Finkelman, a senior fellow at the University of Pennsylvania Program on Democracy, Citizenship and Constitutionalism and the Ariel F. Sallows visiting professor of human rights law at the University of Saskatchewan College of Law, compared Jefferson with George Washington.

“George Washington ceased using white overseers to manage his plantations before he became president” and gave the positions to slaves “as a prelude to emancipating them in his will”, Finkelman said. Jefferson never took such a step. “Washington famously said that he did not take men to the market like cattle, but Jefferson sold nearly 100 slaves in the 1790s,” Finkelman said.



https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/secession-the-confederate-flag-and-slavery

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/opinion/the-real-thomas-jefferson.html?_r=0

The Monster of Monticello


Neither Mr. Meacham, who mostly ignores Jefferson’s slave ownership, nor Mr. Wiencek, who sees him as a sort of fallen angel who comes to slavery only after discovering how profitable it could be, seem willing to confront the ugly truth: the third president was a creepy, brutal hypocrite.

Contrary to Mr. Wiencek’s depiction, Jefferson was always deeply committed to slavery, and even more deeply hostile to the welfare of blacks, slave or free. His proslavery views were shaped not only by money and status but also by his deeply racist views, which he tried to justify through pseudoscience.

There is, it is true, a compelling paradox about Jefferson: when he wrote the Declaration of Independence, announcing the “self-evident” truth that all men are “created equal,” he owned some 175 slaves. Too often, scholars and readers use those facts as a crutch, to write off Jefferson’s inconvenient views as products of the time and the complexities of the human condition.
Continue reading the main story

But while many of his contemporaries, including George Washington, freed their slaves during and after the revolution — inspired, perhaps, by the words of the Declaration — Jefferson did not. Over the subsequent 50 years, a period of extraordinary public service, Jefferson remained the master of Monticello, and a buyer and seller of human beings.



Yup, Scalia's opinion in DC vs Heller enshrined something made up out of whole cloth RockRaven Aug 2019 #1
And Scalia in Heller literally got people killed in DC sharedvalues Aug 2019 #4
Money and power Buzz cook Aug 2019 #2
1939 scotus miller decision jimmy the one Aug 2019 #3
Can we change the name of this forum? "Gun control and made-up Republican RKBA"? sharedvalues Aug 2019 #5
Or better "Gun control and our well-organized militia" sharedvalues Aug 2019 #6
Consider this possibility: guillaumeb Aug 2019 #36
2ndA and slavery jimmy the one Aug 2019 #56
It's been considered here several times before, and shown to be false friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #63
I would like to see them back up this claim. gejohnston Aug 2019 #7
gun control hardly needed in 1790's jimmy the one Aug 2019 #8
not true gejohnston Aug 2019 #9
As you've seen, if ones' only strengths are 'repeated argument by assertion'... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #11
the go to after gejohnston Aug 2019 #16
then 1792, and now 2019 jimmy the one Aug 2019 #12
Historial fact, gejohnston Aug 2019 #14
ad hoc u hoc et al hoc jimmy the one Aug 2019 #19
I made no such claim gejohnston Aug 2019 #37
henry dearborn's firearm census 1803 jimmy the one Aug 2019 #20
Estimated ownership gejohnston Aug 2019 #30
malcolm, far right wing gun guru jimmy the one Aug 2019 #21
Personal attack gejohnston Aug 2019 #27
his rebuttals leave me almost speechless jimmy the one Aug 2019 #34
I honestly don't care. gejohnston Aug 2019 #39
It's sad that you and 16 other people believe that law review articles actually have legal weight friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #10
A interesting article with an irredeemable flaw sarisataka Aug 2019 #13
So you agree the NRA changed the meaning of the 2nd Am sharedvalues Aug 2019 #17
I feel like a squirrel preparing for winter, sarisataka Aug 2019 #18
Shrug. The NRA is a domestic terror organization sharedvalues Aug 2019 #24
no irredeemable flaw, except by you jimmy the one Aug 2019 #22
Many words... I will use fewer sarisataka Aug 2019 #23
moot, miller jimmy the one Aug 2019 #25
Thank you. I didn't have the energy to deconstruct sarisataka's many misleading points sharedvalues Aug 2019 #29
1938 DoJ amicus brief to 1939 supreme court jimmy the one Aug 2019 #28
Wow. DOJ 1938: "2nd A does not grant to the people the right to keep and bear arms" sharedvalues Aug 2019 #32
And finally we come to agreement sarisataka Aug 2019 #40
? What? sharedvalues Aug 2019 #45
bor both guarantee of rights & limitation on congress jimmy the one Aug 2019 #49
We may be reaching the same point sarisataka Aug 2019 #41
scalia mischaracterized england's 'have arms' decree of 1689 jimmy the one Aug 2019 #43
wrong as usual gejohnston Aug 2019 #46
cognitive dissonance jimmy the one Aug 2019 #47
No, I said what the Miller decision said gejohnston Aug 2019 #48
just ask jimmy the one Aug 2019 #50
why aren't you citing the decision itself? gejohnston Aug 2019 #51
Obvious answer: Because, when read in full, it doesn't say what James claims it says. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #52
defence, english style jimmy the one Aug 2019 #54
No contradiction there, save in your own mind friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #55
not mutually exclusive gejohnston Aug 2019 #57
plausible enough jimmy the one Aug 2019 #58
the comprehention problem is strictly yours, gejohnston Aug 2019 #60
based on england's 'assize of arms' jimmy the one Aug 2019 #53
What other right is a collective right? krispos42 Aug 2019 #15
But Scalia claimed to be an originalist. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #26
Yes. Scalia was a right-wing partisan and his "originalism" was just a front sharedvalues Aug 2019 #31
Scalia had an agenda, guillaumeb Aug 2019 #33
Oh no question, he was a judicial activist. Exactly sharedvalues Aug 2019 #35
Thomas is just as bad. So many conflicts of interest. eom guillaumeb Aug 2019 #38
Yes. His wife is an insane rightwing crazy. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #44
Funny, gejohnston Aug 2019 #42
Been following this melm00se Aug 2019 #59
Yes sharedvalues Aug 2019 #62
Yup. "Only slender support for individual right to own gun" sharedvalues Aug 2019 #64
This idea of a collective right is so interesting to me. MarvinGardens Aug 2019 #61
Considering the legal treatment of GLBT, minorities, women and minors SQUEE Aug 2019 #65
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