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In reply to the discussion: Point Click, Fire: An Undercover Investigation of Illegal Online Gun Sales [View all]ellisonz
(27,711 posts)356. Volokh, a couple rogue sociologists, and the NRA isn't propaganda?
Well hold the horses, the rest of the country that thinks our gun control isn't working quite right and the solution is more guns must be quite off base.
Here, you get three political cartoons (btw - just searching "gun control" in the database produces almost entirely anti-gun lobby cartoons - maybe these pen-men are onto something):
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ellisonz
Dec 2011
OP
Gun control advocates honest? Like the "assault rifle" that wasn't an assault rifle?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#2
"Why should firearms be oh so special?" - Uhm, becuase they are SPECIFICALLY mentioned as a Right
cleanhippie
Dec 2011
#94
You can try to argue that nonsense if you want, but you asked a question, and now you know WHY...
cleanhippie
Dec 2011
#165
OMG! You are actually quoting a 1999 article that uses Michael Bellisles as the "expert"!
DonP
Dec 2011
#181
Normally ignorance is a curable condition, but in your case it appears to be hopeless
DonP
Dec 2011
#185
Nobody reasonably expects a criminologist to be an expert on emergency medicine.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#199
Like in Kelo v. New London, where property was taken for corporate enrichment? It feels good.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#383
I wish to view the right to bear arms as connected with *official* militia service.
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#388
So, you bought a gun with no backgorund check then, interesting for a control supporter
DonP
Dec 2011
#24
You do know that violence in the US is at a 35 year low, right? Your friend nonwithstanding.
DonP
Dec 2011
#58
So, based on your approach, as a man I should be able to dictate abortion law, right?
DonP
Dec 2011
#63
In real life, knife robberies are more violent, and produce more injuries.
GreenStormCloud
Dec 2011
#125
"Why are firearms so special?" Because your right to them is a Constitutional right.
SteveW
Dec 2011
#390
And there is your problem-you don't know the actual laws, only what others have told you about them.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#18
You're the one that wants changes- so explain those you deem necessary.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#22
That's interesting, but rifles of all sorts are used in less than 3% of crimes.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#30
I believe you are less concerned with preventing gun crime and more in preventing gun ownership.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#55
"extended magazine clips".... You are parroting fear-mongering buzz words.....
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#80
Under the expired assault weapons ban high capacity magazines were never banned...
spin
Dec 2011
#92
You do realize that if the 1994 AWB had been reauthorized it would not have prevented Loughner...
aikoaiko
Dec 2011
#87
I'm sure you must mean; "In light of the rapidly shrinking violence in this country" right?
DonP
Dec 2011
#111
In other words: There is no evidence that more gun control reduces crime. n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#265
Sure there is and that's why it's such a popular thing for politicians to support
DonP
Dec 2011
#284
And ammonium nitrate has been pretty damn well controlled as of late in this country...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#43
Really? Then name one of those Texas or Arizona stores that provide
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#360
And using that logic... "Do you know Michael Bloomberg's background?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#49
I will not allow myself to be restricted when I have not commited a crime or harmed anyone.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#260
What is descriptive and enlightening is the fact that the US has by far the highest gun homicide...
DanTex
Dec 2011
#110
I doubt they were. Bloomberg's "stings" rarely, if ever, result in prosecutable cases.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#154
Which just goes to show current laws aren't effective at stopping many people...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#39
That's as much as admitting that gun laws don't drive the crime rate.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#50
Now you claim that availability of grenades (illegal) equals availability of guns (legal).
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#85
Trying to shift the blame to someone who had no legal or moral responsibility.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#140
Those are more than a little vague- care to elaborate about "regular inspection", for instance?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#217
It's not up to you to decide whether a post is germane to a subject.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#277
They'll just notify law enforcement and have the hospital security hold you until then.
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#337
That doesn't answer the question. How would you ensure your "better" laws get enforced?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#222
But the "failed system" has once again had a reduction in violent crime.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#296
"Gun control and and better policing" The first of which you claimed was a "failed system"?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#298
Indeed, it has failed to prevent more people from buying more guns.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#339
I think we'll start seeing a flat line and it certainly won't approach European levels.
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#342
Is there some Department of Scientific Disarmament Instruction where we might find these?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#347
I've yet to quote the NRA or Eugene Volokh in my responses to you...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#361
What do you tell the victims of drunk drivers? Obviously our alcohol licensing laws are inadequate
hack89
Dec 2011
#91
Actually only 51. And that is less than one in a million. That's rare.
GreenStormCloud
Dec 2011
#189
"If they're willing to sell to someone like that they're willing to make an illegal deal."
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#83