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In reply to the discussion: Please post reasons why it is OK to kill people in defense of property. [View all]PavePusher
(15,374 posts)7. I would not generally kill just to stop a theft.
I would try to stop the theft with non-lethal means, including force. If the theif then attempts to use force to continue the theft, and in doing so endangers my safety or health, I will do my best to stop her/him, up to and including lethal force if required. That is no longer about the theft and is entirely about self-defense.
And before anyone claims that I shouldn't put a thief in that position, I am under no moral or legal obligation to let anyone steal my property. (Insurance generally doesn't get back all your investment.) The thief can ensure their safety at any time... by stopping their criminal actions. The choice is entirely theirs.
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Please post reasons why it is OK to kill people in defense of property. [View all]
digonswine
Dec 2011
OP
You could sell a few of your guns instead of shooting an unarmed man rummaging through carport.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#22
One-eyed, the world is not out to get you. Put your guns down for a week and enjoy life.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#120
Actually, I'm suggesting it sounds like Newt saying 5 year olds can clean bathrooms.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#132
The decision whether to shoot, or even the ability shoot another person is very situational
ProgressiveProfessor
Dec 2011
#15
If someone is on my property without my permission and/or has come into my house uninvited
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2011
#9
If you have $100K worth of tools, I think I'd buy some insurance -- and not an S&W.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#23
He also seems to assume that insurance will always fully replace ones' losses.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#25
Oh, so it's OK to shoot unarmed person as soon as you calculate potential insurance coverage?
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#100
I have a friend with well over 100k in tools....he has plenty of S&W's, alarm and video monitoring.
ileus
Dec 2011
#89
Now that's the kind of gun owner I grew up with -- and helped me realize we gotta problem.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#102
In Ohio, if an home or occupied vehicle is broken into then justified self defense is presumed.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Dec 2011
#34
I would say that some form of agression is required on the part of the robber.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Dec 2011
#44
My opinion is that it is not OK to shoot people in defense of property...Period. n/t
Bonhomme Richard
Dec 2011
#31
There is at least one state, TX, that makes provisions for using lethal force to stop prop. crimes
aikoaiko
Dec 2011
#32
Premise appears generally flawed in that the victim will have zero idea...
LanternWaste
Dec 2011
#46
I have no duty to wait until I am attacked before taking action to defend my health and property.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#59
I have been giving a lot of thought to this thread since I posted last
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2011
#87
My police department is 3 minutes down the road... so I'd guess 5-10 mins.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Dec 2011
#88
When I called about my last two vehicle break-ins in my driveway, the police never came.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#91
Apparently there is a policy that they have to show up for stolen firearms. (Tucson, AZ)
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#96
If the property is replaceable, regardless of cost, then killing for it is rarely justified.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#68
No, at that point he is no longer a danger to you. If you shoot then YOU are in the wrong.
oneshooter
Dec 2011
#98
My home is a physical manifestation of the portion of my life that I have spent working
slackmaster
Dec 2011
#81
Only way that would work is if the criminal was nice enough to leave a warning note.
Clames
Jul 2012
#148