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DonP

(6,185 posts)
44. "Where am I wotng?" Where to start?
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jun 2012

Let's do it piece by foam flecked piece.

"You think carrying a gun is progressive."

No, the allowing the individual, law abiding citizen the right to choose is progressive. 49 states agree with me.

"You think our RW SCOTUS is infallible."

Get a grip. This has nothing to do with SCOTUS, it was an appellate court judge, appointed by Clinton that made the decision.

"You think the BoR was engraved in stone and handed to Moses."

No, but it' a great idea to have restrictions on your government though and that's all the BoR is, guardrails for the government. It's been interpreted for over 2 centuries now, mostly correctly in the end, and will continue to be expanded as needed. Damn lucky it has too, otherwise there would be no woman's right to choose, women's suffrage or civil rights among others.

"You think laws cannot be changed by those we elect."

Sure they can. Do you have even a fundamental understanding of how the checks and balances systems works in this country works? The elected legislators pass the law, the executive branch approves it and, if needed, the judicial determines if it's constitutional? This is a case of the judiciary saying "no fucking way Rahm". Umm, that's part of the constitution that you seem to think we want to throw out too.

"You think public safety should be left in the hands of a handful of gun nuts.

Now you're just being stupid to try and create an ugly scene. But I do believe people should have the option of choosing to defend themselves with the most effective tool for the job. Or you can choose to trust to statistics and the good graces of criminals for your safety.

"If you don't want to be on a list of crazies, don't sign up for the crazy shit. How many flights have you missed because of the No Fly List?"

You must know something the rest of us don't. Last I checked no one knew how anyone got on the no fly "Terrah" list that Cheney and Bush started and that you seem to love so much now.

There is also no known way to get off the list and no one will even confirm whether you are on the list either. So please tell the whole class how the "Crazies" like Ted Kennedy, got on the list and where anyone can go to have their name removed from it?

Gun control, excuse me, "pro public safety" people are just not good losers on any level.

re: CHICAGO: Mayor determined to preserve city gun law despite judge’s ruling clang1 Jun 2012 #1
Please explain how that relates to the crime stats refered to? PavePusher Jun 2012 #2
Get into car clang1 Jun 2012 #5
Since you need a license called a FOID in illinois gejohnston Jun 2012 #8
How many guns have you bought in Illinois? DonP Jun 2012 #10
I'm not sure what your ultimate point is. PavePusher Jun 2012 #16
It seems the argument would be in favor of a national regulatory scheme Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #37
Oooo, ooo, ooo... we could copy the alcohol prohibition, 'cause that worked so well too! PavePusher Jun 2012 #43
Thank god for another sane mayor. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #3
"Sane mayors" think it's ok to flout the law? mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #4
He's proposing to rewrite vague section of law to make it clear -- "No Friggin Guns Here." Hoyt Jun 2012 #12
"Support"? Other than online whining, what form does that support take? DonP Jun 2012 #14
Hug your buddies from the NRA Board of Directors next time you see them. Hoyt Jun 2012 #15
Another dodge from you? With a baseless accusation again? PavePusher Jun 2012 #17
So what are you saying -- you and your gun buddies are sending money to the Republicans? Hoyt Jun 2012 #20
Chicago Republicans! That's hysterical. DonP Jun 2012 #22
Yes there are Repuke candidates, and with the support of the gun crowd they may win someday. Hoyt Jun 2012 #23
But right now the pro-gun Dems are winning so everything is good. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #25
"So who is/are the "idiot(s)." Umm, you are, for knowing nothing about Illinois politics. DonP Jun 2012 #26
And, if you gun lovers have your way -- all that will change. Hoyt Jun 2012 #40
Again, what are you doing about it? DonP Jun 2012 #46
So, when you say you "support gun control" you actually mean - you do nothing? DonP Jun 2012 #18
NRA has plenty of power and is out to beat Obama. I am sure your devoted support is appreciated. Hoyt Jun 2012 #19
No they really don't. They're no threat this year. A gun control fan told us so. DonP Jun 2012 #21
They are dumping money and support into beating Obama -- yet you love and support them. Hoyt Jun 2012 #24
Only the money that people contribute to the lobbying side of the organization, and thanks to you .. DonP Jun 2012 #28
Wrong, the Executive Director and Board Members such as Teddie Nugent speak out agains Obama? Hoyt Jun 2012 #41
What a coincidence - I'm supporting a Dem that wants concealed carry in Illinois. DonP Jun 2012 #47
Your 'support' for Rahm is like your support of Georgia Democrats- lip service only. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #48
Challenging laws is not flouting them. That's how they get changed. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #29
It WAS challenged, he lost - several times! DonP Jun 2012 #32
You hit the nail on the head! Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #39
"Where am I wotng?" Where to start? DonP Jun 2012 #44
OK, let's look at your flecks. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #51
This guy *also* thought Federal judges could be defied: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #49
Oh, nice! Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #53
I think you understand little about Alabama and it's residents' desire to be desegregation-free friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #68
I think you are confusing me with someone else Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #69
Another sane mayor protected by a small army of people with handguns and automatic weapons. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #7
What does any of that have to do with public safety? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #31
Mayors of Chicago and NYC are elitist 1%. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #61
Are you insinuating that all of the dreaded 1% are corrupt devils? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #67
Finland is more gun fucking crazy than we are gejohnston Jun 2012 #72
Finland has about 16 times the number of gun deaths as the UK. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #73
hardly triple gejohnston Jun 2012 #76
Just more numbers and stats. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #79
false choice, gejohnston Jun 2012 #83
The point is they deny ordinary people the right to protect themselves. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #74
Ordinary people don't carry guns. Sorry to disappoint you. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #75
happens a lot gejohnston Jun 2012 #78
The danger still exists. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #80
Guns do offer protection when properly used. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #86
According to Hoyt those Texas DPS stats are lies. oneshooter Jun 2012 #93
Politicians deserve the same protection that every citizen does. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #84
You have never been to El Paso, have you? GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #9
I have been to EP many times. At least 30. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #33
El Paso is the 22nd largest city in the U.S. That makes it a major U.S. city. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #54
Sorry, number 22 hardly makes it major IMO Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #55
How about Dallas then? Murder rate DROPPED for the seventh straight year. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #58
How about LA and NYC? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #59
you are actually right gejohnston Jun 2012 #60
Perhaps you'd like to $upport Rahm's "sane" solution? DonP Jun 2012 #11
I'm not anti-gun. I'm pro public safety. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #34
"bash our Dem politicians."! You better take a closer look at the guy you love so much. DonP Jun 2012 #36
Not all Dems, just union busting gejohnston Jun 2012 #38
I'm perfectly happy to bash Michael Bloomberg, as well. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #50
I don't support the "stop and frisk" policy or the "muslim squad" Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #52
"Nothing to do with trying to keep guns off the streets of NYC."??? MicaelS Jun 2012 #56
I think you understand little about NYC and it's residents' desire to be gun free. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #57
I think you understand little about Kansas and it's residents' desire to be abortion free. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #62
As far as it doesn't interfere with public safety or individual rights. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #64
nuclear reactors are not among the individual rights gejohnston Jun 2012 #65
Me too. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #71
Since even the dissenters in Heller admitted the 2A protects an individual right... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #70
Look I don't support CC or the issuing of permits. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #82
May your good luck continue. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #88
Good luck to you too. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #89
I respect your right to that choice, but not the choice itself. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #92
Ditto! Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #94
Sane? Now THAT'S funny! Spoonman Jun 2012 #13
Like carrying a gun every day and expecting different results? Is that sanity. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #35
LMAO Spoonman Jun 2012 #42
Who's talking about bans? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #45
Sometimes the results ARE different. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #77
You did right. Good for you. If all behaved as well, we wouldn't have any argument. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #81
If I had not been armed, we would have been at the burglar's mercy. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #87
I think if you had not been armed, you would have used other options. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #90
Police response time is NOT instantaneous. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #91
Well, of course, I wasn't there Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #95
They're working great now...but more bans are needed. ileus Jun 2012 #6
JUST ONE MORE LAW OUGHTA DO IT... Marinedem Jun 2012 #27
Serfs, pay your taxes! Tejas Jun 2012 #30
are the taxpayers being fairly represented? is this what those fair citizens want? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #66
I prefer change... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #63
Didn't like him in the White House. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #85
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