Gun Control & RKBA

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192. Drive by stabbings? No, I think means speaks for itself.

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Is RKBA (Right to keep and bear arms) a Progressive value? [View all] shadowrider Aug 2012 OP

not without significant restrictions.... mike_c Aug 2012 #1

Which of the other enumerated rights do you feel the same about? pipoman Aug 2012 #5

only the ones that consistently result in mass killings of innocent people... mike_c Aug 2012 #10

Would you agree that the right to propagate the idea that blacks are not fully human and are TPaine7 Aug 2012 #29

I can't even begin to describe the redness of that herring.... mike_c Aug 2012 #70

Laugh on, since that's all you have. TPaine7 Aug 2012 #80

Wow, owned. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #94

Well I think there should be tests Missycim Aug 2012 #110

Although the text of the First Amendment clearly states that the freedom of speech is to JDPriestly Aug 2012 #20

Thank you glacierbay Aug 2012 #25

So the founders meant to protect passing secrets to the enemy and conspiracy to murder and TPaine7 Aug 2012 #27

Yep wolfman24 Aug 2012 #214

Wow - no bias in this poll. In Gungeon, in group where people post under multiple IDs, and worse. Hoyt Aug 2012 #2

If that is an accusation Hoyt, prove it or retract shadowrider Aug 2012 #3

Actually I thought Hoyt was confessing. n/t DWC Aug 2012 #118

I also took it as a confession. CokeMachine Aug 2012 #212

It is, of course, an American progressive value. In Canada where you are, things may be different. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #4

I believe he's in Georgia, surrounded by guns and conceal carry n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #6

Earlier, I thought, that he admitted being a Canadian. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #9

It is different - national health insurance, people don't need guns to venture out, etc. Hoyt Aug 2012 #13

So you now admit knowing that at least some Americans "need guns to venture out, etc." AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #19

Not at all. I'm saying Americans could learn from Canadians. Hoyt Aug 2012 #23

No. Your words from that post speak for themselves. You may not have intended the admission, but AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #44

Who would that be? pipoman Aug 2012 #7

I see what you did there n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #8

Hoyt, I find your comment offensive! Yavapai Aug 2012 #11

That comment is very typical of him. shadowrider Aug 2012 #14

Is that what you get out of posting a poll like that here is biased? Hoyt Aug 2012 #15

How can a yes or no answer be biased? explain that to me please shadowrider Aug 2012 #16

It's kind of like going to a klan meeting and asking if Obama should be re-elected. Hoyt Aug 2012 #21

Exactly glacierbay Aug 2012 #26

You didn't answer the question. How is it biased? I asked a question, yes or no answer shadowrider Aug 2012 #34

You're saying ... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #57

We put up with that crap every day n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #58

I don't mind ... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #59

95+% of DU wouldn't touch gungeon. Having lived among gun cultists, I can stomach it. Hoyt Aug 2012 #108

I notice you dodged the question n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #109

Now you're likening this forum to a klan meeting. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #89

How does this guy Missycim Aug 2012 #111

He's anti-gun, that's why. He'd be banned if he posted his insults in any other shadowrider Aug 2012 #115

I know the Missycim Aug 2012 #117

Simply pointing out that OP poll is biased. Another example, ask republicans in Tampa Hoyt Aug 2012 #121

Hoyt, you have yet to tell me how it's biased. n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #122

Go take a statistics course. Hoyt Aug 2012 #123

No. You're saying it's biased. You tell me, or else you'd say my statistics instructor shadowrider Aug 2012 #128

at the convention or the on the street? gejohnston Aug 2012 #130

Tell ya what Hoyt. Why don't YOU put up a "non-biased" poll in GD and let's see the results shadowrider Aug 2012 #132

lf you were to ask Democrats in my home state, you would have a very hard time finding any who spayneuter Aug 2012 #169

You're exactly right. Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #147

Agreed. n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #151

You didn't say the same of a poll by one of your cohorts.... Clames Aug 2012 #35

Sorry missed that poll. Please enter my response as Anti-gun. Hoyt Aug 2012 #124

That would be hypocritical seeing as you still own guns. n/t Clames Aug 2012 #198

Don't carry them, don't use them, don't fondle them, they were my dad's revolvers. Hoyt Aug 2012 #204

You still own them. Clames Aug 2012 #209

Get used to it 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #138

! that happens all over DU and if you got out more often you would know it. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #12

"multiple ID's"? rl6214 Aug 2012 #38

It's a very progressive value glacierbay Aug 2012 #17

The first & second amendments are the most progressive in the Constitution. rDigital Aug 2012 #18

First Amendment Yes. Second is actually regressive as you guys interpret it. Hoyt Aug 2012 #22

It's an Amendment designed to protect the good of the PEOPLE from oppression. MercutioATC Aug 2012 #71

Yea, tell that to all the people who have been oppressed and abused by gun wielders. Hoyt Aug 2012 #125

Don't forget the grocery store and WalMart n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #129

You do know Missycim Aug 2012 #112

Because it puts too much power in the hands of individuals 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #139

may be wolfman24 Aug 2012 #215

Not As Long As The Far Right Wing Owns It. (nt) Paladin Aug 2012 #24

Then let's take it away from them. NewMoonTherian Aug 2012 #95

That's why we need to take it back. rDigital Aug 2012 #96

That's like a republican lamenting that the pro-choice agenda is dominated by the left 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #140

RKBA is very important to Rush Limbaugh, Todd Akin, Glenn Beck, Joe Walsh, ... DanTex Aug 2012 #28

That 2 + 2 = 4 is believed by Rush Limbaugh, Todd Akin, Glenn Beck, Joe Walsh, Sarah Palin, TPaine7 Aug 2012 #30

Except that 2+2=4 is also believed by progressives and Democrats. The overwhelming majority of DanTex Aug 2012 #31

Even if we assume that your conclusion is correct (for the sake of conversation only) your premise TPaine7 Aug 2012 #32

My conclusion is correct, and my premise supports it. DanTex Aug 2012 #33

Your "argument is valid"? It's as valid as any ad hominem argument. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #102

Except that the only Democrats that believe in gun control are those in the big cities. rl6214 Aug 2012 #39

Is that you Sarah? DanTex Aug 2012 #40

Can you disprove it or are insults all you have? n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #42

You want me to disprove that "real people" live in rural areas and not in cities? DanTex Aug 2012 #45

Do you quote Republicans often to prove your point, or only when they agree with you? n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #48

Yeah, it's funny. The trolls that post here are so far right that even Colin Powell is... DanTex Aug 2012 #51

So, to summarize, when Republicans agree with you, they're good, right? n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #60

LOL. Actually, here's what I posted. Try and pay attention this time. DanTex Aug 2012 #61

Do you quote Republicans when they agree with you? And you pay attention shadowrider Aug 2012 #62

When arguing with teabaggers, it is often useful to present a "moderate Republican" opinion. DanTex Aug 2012 #63

Do you quote Republicans when they agree with you? You haven't answered shadowrider Aug 2012 #67

When arguing with teabaggers, it is often useful to present a "moderate Republican" opinion. DanTex Aug 2012 #69

* Yawn * I grow tired of your refusal to say yes or no, but instead shadowrider Aug 2012 #72

Yes, because some questions don't have yes or no answers. Or is that too subtle for you? DanTex Aug 2012 #74

your example is a loaded question gejohnston Aug 2012 #75

Shadow's is a dumb question, though. DanTex Aug 2012 #76

perhaps, but someone from a rural area would have been gejohnston Aug 2012 #78

Perhaps, but the point is, rl6214 is exhibiting the same ugly anti-urbanism that... DanTex Aug 2012 #81

I find it annoying and counter productive, but gejohnston Aug 2012 #86

Powell Missycim Aug 2012 #113

Fair enough. Why do you disagree with a yes or no answer? shadowrider Aug 2012 #107

Even "Colin Powell is ...more liberal" than those that you disagree with? I doubt it. None of those AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #143

not anti urbansim gejohnston Aug 2012 #47

Sorry, gej, but saying that the "real people" live in rural areas is the epitome of anti-urbanism. DanTex Aug 2012 #49

So you can't dispute that the only Democrats that believe in gun control rl6214 Aug 2012 #174

Looks like the yes' are far outnumbering the no's rl6214 Aug 2012 #36

Yup. May want to bookmark this for the next time someone brings it up n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #37

Wait, so the gungeon is infested with right-wing trolls? DanTex Aug 2012 #41

So your accusation is, everyone who voted yes is a right wing troll? shadowrider Aug 2012 #46

So you think that a gungeon poll is representative of the opinions of DUers in general? DanTex Aug 2012 #50

It's representative of those who choose to partake. shadowrider Aug 2012 #52

Exactly: the gungeon trolls! (mostly) DanTex Aug 2012 #53

It's on the main page, it's NOT a gungeon only poll shadowrider Aug 2012 #54

LOL. But the "yes" voters are by and large the usual NRA trolls. DanTex Aug 2012 #55

So anyone who supports gun rights is a troll? Nt Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #64

I believe that's what he's saying n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #65

Y'know Dan, I was mightily impressed a while back when you were able Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #83

Hi Simo! So you just stopped in to smear me and that's it? OK, then! DanTex Aug 2012 #84

I guess that Missycim Aug 2012 #114

Yup - logic is fundamental, isn't it. Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #149

Calling someone on their constant smearing represents a smear? Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #146

This post was sent to jury. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #92

That's because you can say anything you want about gun owners Union Scribe Aug 2012 #93

As an exception, #77 was hidden. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #103

"NRA trolls"? Really? Reminds me of something Tom Head would come up with. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #99

Apparently ... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #116

History and elections are decided by those who show up. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #154

The results in this poll pipoman Aug 2012 #77

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #79

How about you prove your claim.. pipoman Aug 2012 #82

Yup, the usual suspects... DanTex Aug 2012 #85

Bold.. pipoman Aug 2012 #91

So which ones are the "NRA trolls"? Put up or shut up. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #100

Aaand....nada. Typical for bullying behavior. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #213

The truth is rrneck Aug 2012 #120

*Somebody* certainly didn't read "Obama and Orwell" (linked in post #47) friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #56

C'mon man, I had trouble with Puff n Toot n/t shadowrider Aug 2012 #66

Sorry, I wasn't talking about you... n/t friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #98

Wait, so your anti-gun zealotry is a losing effort? rl6214 Aug 2012 #179

Nothing could be more progressive. ileus Aug 2012 #43

Yes. And as a fellow liberal gun owner once said to me: "We can't let the republicans bluerum Aug 2012 #68

Ahem. shadowrider Aug 2012 #73

I beg to differ. geckosfeet Aug 2012 #90

This thread needs a girl from Canada... ileus Aug 2012 #87

You mean this one? gejohnston Aug 2012 #88

Would Hoyt qualify? Is Hoyt male or female? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #104

I hate that acronym. I also hate how you guys type "2A." ellisonz Aug 2012 #97

Hoplophobia is a serious medical condition, but there are modern treatements availible rDigital Aug 2012 #101

From the creator of the term "hoplophobia", for readers unfamiliar with the term: AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #105

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #134

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. You're among friends, it's ok. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #145

Good jury. n/t Clames Aug 2012 #197

Yep. oneshooter Aug 2012 #207

I can. Clames Aug 2012 #208

You "hate that acronym"? Hate is a strong emotion. Isn't is sufficient to simply dislike it? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #106

Are people not allowed strong emotions? Are they never appropriate? ellisonz Aug 2012 #133

If we replied in latin rrneck Aug 2012 #119

If progressives care about maximizing the freedom of the individual 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #126

How can it possibly be regarded as progressive? Loudly Aug 2012 #127

Natural rights which exist in conflict with the restrictions that authoritarians would place upon AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #131

The proliferation of guns and ammo impairs any such right of self defense. Loudly Aug 2012 #136

Wrong. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #144

Shooting first is the last thing CCW holders do. It's only a last resort shadowrider Aug 2012 #150

You're trying to describe a world of CCW holders. Loudly Aug 2012 #155

Just a few points discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #135

Surrender by Lee to Grant at Appomattox. Loudly Aug 2012 #137

Never again discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #148

If you're rich 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #142

So why are all these poor people in Chicago getting shot? Loudly Aug 2012 #153

since when were gejohnston Aug 2012 #156

Of course they're the public. As long as they're living and not incarcerated. Loudly Aug 2012 #157

since many if not most of them are felons gejohnston Aug 2012 #160

They all come from the same place. Loudly Aug 2012 #161

different factories gejohnston Aug 2012 #166

The workshop of elves. Loudly Aug 2012 #171

Right, that is how UK lowered their murder rate. gejohnston Aug 2012 #177

You can't own a handgun in Chicago legally. rDigital Aug 2012 #158

I believe the McDonald decision changed that. Loudly Aug 2012 #159

no they can't gejohnston Aug 2012 #162

Did you just say that statutory gun control is effective? Loudly Aug 2012 #164

You're saying the answer to people breaking laws is rDigital Aug 2012 #167

No, the answer is scarcity. Loudly Aug 2012 #172

There is no correlation between crime and firearms ownership rDigital Aug 2012 #173

What would they be dying from? Loudly Aug 2012 #180

Human violence rDigital Aug 2012 #181

No way. Guns are for lazy people. Loudly Aug 2012 #184

Quite the contrary, Gun control is the preferred choice of the lazy authoritarian. rDigital Aug 2012 #187

Drive by stabbings? No, I think means speaks for itself. Loudly Aug 2012 #192

So convenient to cite a conterfactual universe where your point can never be proven. :) theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #182

Most gunshot victims survive. Guns aren't magical death tubes. rDigital Aug 2012 #185

Bystanders, whether intended targets or not, are the victims of the product. Loudly Aug 2012 #186

neutrally funded peer reviewed gejohnston Aug 2012 #188

Hmmm. . . theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #199

a respected award winning criminologist vs a blog? gejohnston Aug 2012 #200

I fear we're going to go around and around on this one. theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #201

Hemenway's work is faulty gejohnston Aug 2012 #205

Great. theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #206

Something to agree on. Guns ARE more efficient. More convenient too. Loudly Aug 2012 #190

are our drug laws effective? gejohnston Aug 2012 #168

Drugs are voluntarily consumed. Loudly Aug 2012 #170

Guns are about a million times easier to smuggle than drugs. rDigital Aug 2012 #176

that is relevant how? gejohnston Aug 2012 #178

That a contraband value system which promotes guns and persecutes drugs is clearly misallocated. Loudly Aug 2012 #183

owning a gun for legitimate reasons is victim-less gejohnston Aug 2012 #189

Hardly victimless. Access is floodwater. It goes *everywhere.* Loudly Aug 2012 #191

I have never harmed anything with my guns gejohnston Aug 2012 #194

The mere fact that you can get your hands on a gun and ammo makes it a threat to society. Loudly Aug 2012 #195

In reality.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #202

Danger then. Hazard. High likelihood of death or injury from the indulgence. Loudly Aug 2012 #210

After the McDonald decision rDigital Aug 2012 #163

Yes they are. And giving them access is a national tragedy. Loudly Aug 2012 #165

Yet you have never been safer as gun violence continues to decline to historic lows. hack89 Aug 2012 #196

The drug war pushed by some. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #175

Actually, adherence to it is the Progressive Value! Absolutely! n/t spayneuter Aug 2012 #141

Note to all: Jury Duty rDigital Aug 2012 #152

Since Progressive values are strictly imaginary, they differ from region to region, ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #193

A pipeline of arms to drug rackets is not...eom Kolesar Aug 2012 #203

I love this poll, I might just bump it everyday to remind everyone that there are rDigital Aug 2012 #211

The most progressive value. rDigital Aug 2012 #216