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rrneck

(17,671 posts)
11. Okay
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 02:44 PM
Oct 2012

1) Please define "gun rights" in your own words.

Guns don't have rights, people have rights. Those include the right to defend oneself from assault. Reasons for assault are meaningless. One can be assaulted by a random criminal or lunatic or an oppressive government. Chances of success in defense against an assault are meaningless. If the regulating authority cannot or is not required to offer a remedy for assault, defense of same falls to the individual and regulation of how that individual defends his or her self should be held to a very high bar, since the regulatory agency cannot offer an adequate remedy for serious injury or death.

2) Please explain how you interpret the 2nd amendment to grant "gun rights."

Well here's the text (Like that hasn't been posted before):

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

See the part in bold type? The second says that a militia is a good thing to have, and that the members of the militia will be drawn from a populace whose right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. You see that way if such a militia has to be mustered for whatever reason, it won't be drawn from a segment of the population that before such need arises has been exclusively allowed to keep and bear arms.

3) Please give an example of how a regulation has personally infringed your "gun rights."

I guess as close as I can get is a waiting period to buy a pistol once. That ain't much. But nobody is worried about what happened in the past, are they? Changes in public policy impact the future, for a very long time. They don't change the past, they change the trajectory of a culture for good or ill. In fact, the only time the future stops being an issue is when you are dead. That's why people don't like giving up the right to defend themselves because they run the risk of losing their future because of an untimely demise.

Propose all the gun regulations you want, but the first question in everyone's mind will be "what are you going to do if I get into trouble?" If you can't answer that question, they will tell you to fuck off and write it on the back of a one way ticket to the political wilderness.

For those who support "gun rights" [View all] SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
I never use that term because it is inaccurate. Guns are inanimate objects and have no rights. slackmaster Oct 2012 #1
Guns are objects SecularMotion Oct 2012 #3
We'll just have to agree to disagree on some things. Thanks for being polite, and for providing... slackmaster Oct 2012 #5
Self defense could be defined as power as necessary to overpower an attacking force. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #7
So, self-defense is a human right... as long as you do it without tools. PavePusher Oct 2012 #15
So what kind of rights do we find in the Bill of Rights? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #17
Nicely stated Slackmaster Hangingon Oct 2012 #4
Amen, Brother Slackmaster! Hells Liberal Oct 2012 #13
The right to own and carry guns is an enumerated civil liberty hack89 Oct 2012 #2
I support the Second Amendment. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #6
Here's my contribution aikoaiko Oct 2012 #8
What say you, SM? Are there any "gun rights" that you support? nt rDigital Oct 2012 #9
Okay, I'll play discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #10
Okay rrneck Oct 2012 #11
Here goes Hells Liberal Oct 2012 #12
My contribution Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #14
Ok TPaine7 Oct 2012 #16
1. Gun rights.....guns don't have rights, we have rights to own firearms. ileus Oct 2012 #18
What of "water rights," "land rights," "property rights" or "abortion rights"? TPaine7 Oct 2012 #19
Water, land, and property rights are contractual constructs slackmaster Oct 2012 #20
But I thought the issue with "gun rights" was that the rights don't belong to the guns. TPaine7 Oct 2012 #22
I can't really explain myself. It's kind of a sound-of-fingers-on-the-chalkboard thing. slackmaster Oct 2012 #23
People also have water, land, property, and abortion rights. ileus Oct 2012 #24
well, I was going to contribute but, you all took the words right outta my mouth!! Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #21
me too! And I am on a cell phone.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #26
The second amendment "grants" nothing.. X_Digger Oct 2012 #25
My Answer Berserker Oct 2012 #27
Thanks for all the responses SecularMotion Oct 2012 #28
Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC? oneshooter Oct 2012 #29
re: "...many are uncomfortable..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #31
The Devil is in the details DWC Oct 2012 #30
Popular gun ownership = a test for Freedom. Francis Marion Oct 2012 #32
Guns do not have rights. I have the right to keep and bear arms sarisataka Oct 2012 #33
Ditto, other than Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #34
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