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struggle4progress

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40. Many people noticed Herod's cruelty in pursuit of power. Octavian (for example) famously remarked
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jan 2014
"It's safer to be Herod's pig than Herod's son"

... After putting down the Judean/Parthian revolt against their rule, Rome appointed Herod king of Judea. Herod had complete authority, and he used it ruthlessly. He established an enormous secret police force, brutally killed anyone suspected of plotting against him, and created Roman peace by slaughtering all dissidents. Herod controlled the sacrificial cult by placing a lackey in the position of High Priest. In any of his appointees was foolish enough to displease him, Herod killed him and replaced him with another lackey ...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Herod.html


... Herod's atrocities included the drowning of Mariamne's brother Aristobolus III in 35 after appointing him high priest and seeing his popularity soar, the execution of Hyrcanus in 30 on charges of conspiracy after his return from Parthian captivity, of Mariamne in 29 on charges of adultery and plotting to murder him, of his mother-in-law Alexandra a year later after an attempted coup, and of three of his sons ...
http://www.answers.com/topic/herod-the-great


... Herod's reign ended in terror. The monastery at Qumran, the home of the Essenes, suffered a violent and deliberate destruction by fire in 8 BCE, for which Herod may have been responsible. When the king fell ill, two popular teachers, Judas and Matthias, incited their pupils to remove the golden eagle from the entrance of the Temple: after all, according to the Ten Commandments, it was a sin to make idols. The teachers and the pupils were burned alive ... The story about the slaughter of infants of Bethlehem .. is not known from other sources, but it would have been totally in character for the later Herod to commit such a terrible act ...
http://www.livius.org/he-hg/herodians/herod_the_great02.html


... Hearing .. that the king was gradually sinking .. these teachers threw out hints .. that this was the fitting moment .. to pull down what had been erected .. for .. the king had .. erected over the great gate a golden eagle ... At mid-day, accordingly, when numbers of people were perambulating the Temple, they let themselves down from the roof on stout cords and began chopping off the golden eagle with hatchets. The king's captain .. hastened to the scene with a considerable force, arrested about forty of the young men and conducted them to the king. Herod first asked them whether they had dared to cut down the golden eagle; they admitted it ... This provoked the king to such fury that ... he ordered those that had let themselves down from the roof, together with the teachers, to be burnt alive; the remainder of those arrested he handed over to his executioners ...
http://www.josephus.org/causesOfWar.htm#eagle


Herod was the slave of the Hasmonean house ... One day he heard a Bath Kol say, 'Every slave that rebels now will succeed.' So he rose and killed all the members of his master's household ... Who are they, he said, who teach, From the midst of thy brethren thou shalt set up a king over thee? The Rabbis! He therefore arose and killed all the Rabbis, sparing, however, Baba b. Buta, that he might take counsel of him. But he placed on his head a garland of hedgehog bristles and put out his eyes ...
http://halakhah.com/bababathra/bababathra_3.html
http://halakhah.com/bababathra/bababathra_4.html


... On his deathbed, Herod had a feeling that not too many tears would be shed upon the news of his death. To make sure the day of his death would be a really bad day for the Jews and to increase the general amount of mourning, Herod imprisoned the Who's Who of Jewish society and ordered to execute the entire bunch of them the second he died ...
http://www.emersonkent.com/history_notes/herod_the_great.htm
Thanks shenmue Dec 2013 #1
A good choir goes a long way. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #2
Another biblical story without any corroborating evidence edhopper Dec 2013 #3
The literal readings of the fundamentalists often seem to me less interesting struggle4progress Jan 2014 #7
Some of those are documented edhopper Jan 2014 #14
I suspect your literalist reading prevents you from understanding what I wrote struggle4progress Jan 2014 #16
I understood you edhopper Jan 2014 #19
You mean literal readings like... trotsky Jan 2014 #15
Are you actually trying to say something interesting? Or are you just trolling for a reaction? struggle4progress Jan 2014 #17
I am just curious to find out if there are some things that you think it's OK... trotsky Jan 2014 #18
I want Jesus to walk with me struggle4progress Jan 2014 #20
Let the record show that I tried once again to engage in an honest discussion with you. n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #21
What an interesting comment! It could certainly lead to a long productive conversation! struggle4progress Jan 2014 #22
Thanks for the loving snark. trotsky Jan 2014 #23
I thought Dorothy Melton had a beautiful voice struggle4progress Jan 2014 #24
why are you being snarky? Evoman Jan 2014 #31
I'm sorry to hear you're ill struggle4progress Jan 2014 #35
Why does the death of Herod okasha Jan 2014 #12
Unfortunate for those who think edhopper Jan 2014 #13
I'm still not sure why you think that's "unfortunate" or at all significant. okasha Jan 2014 #28
it does clash with Luke's claim of a census by Quirinius/Cyrenius muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #34
This sort of problem okasha Jan 2014 #36
But no-one thinks the circumstances of her birth are important muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #37
But again, the problem is a literalist reading of the text. okasha Jan 2014 #46
We don't start threads about 'anniversaries' of details of Alexander's birth muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #47
I'm sure there are some posters here who would start flame wars okasha Jan 2014 #48
The TV miniseries "Jesus of Nazreth" had a gruesome version of this. rug Dec 2013 #4
It is such a haunting song struggle4progress Jan 2014 #5
You might like this choir. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #6
Yup. I posted it here last year! struggle4progress Jan 2014 #8
Lol. We think alike. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #9
I conclude you are a person with excellent musical taste struggle4progress Jan 2014 #10
You too my friend. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #11
Like Giordano Bruno? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #25
When Herod killed all children under 2 in Bethlehem. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #26
Church and government records show Giordano Bruno was bound upside down and burned. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #27
don't believe it then. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #29
Funny how nobody at the time noticed... uriel1972 Jan 2014 #32
You don't have to believe it. I do. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #33
Many people noticed Herod's cruelty in pursuit of power. Octavian (for example) famously remarked struggle4progress Jan 2014 #40
thank you for making the point edhopper Jan 2014 #41
First of all, "Matthew" provides no numerical estimates of the reported slaughter, but if it were struggle4progress Jan 2014 #42
Again, thank you for that response edhopper Jan 2014 #43
Unfortunately for some, the historicity of the Bible uriel1972 Jan 2014 #44
I very seldom see the "inerrant Bible" folk posting here at DU struggle4progress Jan 2014 #45
True... nt uriel1972 Jan 2014 #49
I expect we can all agree that being an obnoxious asshole ought not be a burning offense, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #30
There's no need to speculate; the Vatican kept records for all seven years of Bruno's trial... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #38
"... The detailed Holy Office transcripts of Giordano Bruno’s trial were destroyed between 1810, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #39
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