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struggle4progress

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113. Oh, that Jesus guy! Well, the old texts seem to indicate he was executed

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:48 PM

Mar 2014

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by the Romans on a sedition charge ("King of the Jews" Mt 27, Mk 15, Lk 23, Jn 18)

These accounts all suggest a legal lynching, involving local religious authorities -- largely Roman collaborateurs in that era, Caiaphas (for example) being an appointee of the Roman prefect Valerius Gratus

As is often the case with colonial government, Roman administration was not very concerned about such legal niceties as "innocence" in its dealings with the peasantry of conquered territories: the main object of the rule was to maintain orderly extraction of wealth, which inevitably involved a certain regular display of educational terror (such as crucifixion), to ensure that the local population remained appropriately pacified

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Religion Kills Two More Children [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2014 OP

Actually it looks like the two women killed them. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #1

Updated the OP with additional info. Have a look. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #2

Um well they are the ones who did it. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #3

And their religious beliefs played no part whatsoever? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #5

That remains to be seen. Could be a mental issue or could be they were brainwashed. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #7

When the (arguably) largest and most influential sect of xtianity in this country endorses exorcisms cleanhippie Mar 2014 #8

Ok so what does this mean to you? what is the take away here? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #9

When the (arguably) largest and most influential sect of xtianity in this country endorses exorcisms cleanhippie Mar 2014 #10

Were they a part of that largest denomination? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #11

Unsure, but irrelevant. They believe that exorcism is a valid form of demonic defense. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #16

what I am saying is that while it had a role we do not know enough info to hrmjustin Mar 2014 #17

I'm sure it wasn't the only factor, but it was a major one. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #23

time will tell. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #24

Time already told. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #25

They have to determine if mental issues are at play first. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #27

That has already been determined. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #30

What technical mental issue were they diagnosed with? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #31

Are those goalposts on wheels? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #40

have they been diagnosed by medical personal as have a mental issue? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #42

Are you asking because you don't know? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #47

Yes!!! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #48

I've read nothing in this article that mentions any specific diagnosis. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #49

Then we don't know yet why it was done. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #51

Sure we do: religious delusion and mental illness. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #53

I give up! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #54

Riiight. If you applied that kind of skepticism toward your own religious beliefs... cleanhippie Mar 2014 #58

Have you ever considered the possibility it may have been premeditated? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #62

Sure. That doesn't precluded mental illness and religious delusion. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #63

I have not excluded anything. my point is that we don't know yet. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #64

Oh, we know, you just don't want to acknowledge it. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #66

Are you kidding me? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #73

Are YOU kidding me? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #75

No, are you? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #78

Here's what the state attorney said back in January: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #99

Thanks but I thought we were supposed to blame religion for everything. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #103

The Montgomery county state's attorney may not spend much time posting in the DU Religion group struggle4progress Mar 2014 #109

Yeah I guess not. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #111

You didn't read the January thread on this? Or you just ignored what was there? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #26

This is an update on that case, dated today 3/17/14. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #28

In your reply #16 to justin's #11 (asking if the women were Roman Catholic), struggle4progress Mar 2014 #41

This article is dated today, 3/17/14. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #45

And today you seem to be pretending not to know struggle4progress Mar 2014 #56

Religious delusions require recent association with religion? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #60

"Religious delusions" can occur without any religiosity, as indicated by link here: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #65

And? Did you have a point? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #70

In your #65, you asked whether religious delusions require religion. I provided struggle4progress Mar 2014 #74

And? Did you have a point? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #76

I answered a question you asked struggle4progress Mar 2014 #102

Making a distinction between having religion, vs. "religiosity," is sophistical and irrelevant Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #176

Feel free to provide links: I've provided quite a few struggle4progress Mar 2014 #185

I've been deconstructing your quotes. And finding a second reading in them more critical of religion Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #199

They really need to coordinate their efforts better. rug Mar 2014 #29

If the intent is merely to produce gratifying yelps, of course, then struggle4progress Mar 2014 #68

Clearly the accused were citing religious concepts as the reasons for their actions Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #174

Yes but no Christian church I know advocates what they did so it looks like hrmjustin Mar 2014 #175

Or? An attempt to access religion unmediated by a - your own? - church? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #182

And your conclusion is what? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #183

1) Even allegedly "good" religion is commonly misused, even murderously. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #200

Well it looks like you want to use a tragedy to say religion is bad. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #203

Religion doesn't kill people, religious followers do? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #18

I would say yes. Christian Churches do not advocate killing a person during an exorsism. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #19

OK, but then remember than Christianity doesn't teach morality, Christians do muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #20

Good point. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #21

Very true. At least, some religious followers do. nt Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #22

They killed 2 children and wounded 2 older (5 and 8) children. Shrike47 Mar 2014 #4

You left out one other probable cause. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #6

There is one door you open here DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #128

If the atheist "religion" taught that mass Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #133

No DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #165

So that would be an indictment of the "bolshevik religion" not the "atheist religion". Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #171

And yet another broad brush attack against religion Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #12

Do religions that teach that demonic possession is real have no responsibility Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #13

Show me a religion that advocates or condones the behavior in the OP Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #43

Several mainstream religions advocate that demons can possess the human body. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #46

I'm not convinced it is bullshit. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #50

Wow. Well then no wonder you don't understand the complaint. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #52

And this coming from skepticscott Mar 2014 #67

Yep, sorry to disappoint, but I don't toe the strict atheist line. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #79

you aren't an atheist Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #80

Based on your definition, maybe. Check your dictionary. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #81

You seem to be skepticscott Mar 2014 #82

Hardly. I actually think I'm more like most atheists Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #84

Yes, and we can see from your posts here skepticscott Mar 2014 #88

Why is that SS? Because I call out the bigots? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #90

That balances out your posts. rug Mar 2014 #94

i know a lot of atheists, I read a lot of atheist blogs, books, etc. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #112

Really. Most of my friends are atheists or agnostic Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #117

you are determined to spin this yarn. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #119

I'm always happy to entertain and I enjoy exorcising demons Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #121

Yes, and we know how your family skepticscott Mar 2014 #123

I don't speak for my family, and I hope you post stands for all to see how you roll. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #136

Your family consistently tries to use skepticscott Mar 2014 #139

Maybe you'd care to back that up with a link or two Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #141

The links are in the same place skepticscott Mar 2014 #179

Aha, so you have nothing but spurious attacks. Thought so. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #205

Accepting the existence of a supernatural anything would tend to lend credence AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #129

I'd have to separate nessy from that list. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #132

I have never, in my entire life, met anyone, in any circumstance, who wanted to discuss demons struggle4progress Mar 2014 #122

What the hell is the difference between gods and demons? PassingFair Mar 2014 #125

For one thing, Balthazar was one of the three wise men. rug Mar 2014 #126

I guess Balthazar is a fictional demon. PassingFair Mar 2014 #127

Actually, he's a fictional man, not a demon at all. rug Mar 2014 #130

You'd have to ask the only true atheist in this thread. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #131

Are you serious? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #134

It's an insult to mental health care. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #77

You call it metaphor, I call it definition Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #83

Let's review your beliefs about demons skepticscott Mar 2014 #86

OK, do you think that the RCC, when they employ exorcists, Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #87

Sorry you find my lack of interest in comic books insulting. No offense intended Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #89

Except that we understand both of those problems much better now skepticscott Mar 2014 #92

Ritual is a big part of the human experience. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #95

I feel sorry for people who are superstitious because it's bad luck to be that way Fumesucker Mar 2014 #100

Now that is funny. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #118

That's your answer? A diatribe on ritual? skepticscott Mar 2014 #114

Posting stories about schizophrenics demonstrates nothing but the callousness of the poster. rug Mar 2014 #120

Thank you . Leontius Mar 2014 #167

You're not convinced that demonic possession is bullshit? Iggo Mar 2014 #140

Depends on how one defines "Demonic possession" Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #143

Okay. Iggo Mar 2014 #147

Good on you! Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #162

How exactly do these "personalities" invade "hosts"? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #172

How? Why, by boring tiny microscopic holes in the top of your head while you sleep Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #204

Stop it how? rug Mar 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author goldent Mar 2014 #194

One certainly doesn't have to believe in any deity to be convinced that demons exist. AlbertCat Mar 2014 #145

So, you call anything we don't understand "supernatural"? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #161

And yet another accusation of bigotry skepticscott Mar 2014 #14

The lines were already blurred, as evidenced by the second article in the OP. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #15

Really? Do you consider your motives intellectually honest when you post this hateful trash? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #34

Apparently, by your thinking skepticscott Mar 2014 #36

All you have are personal attacks. Nothing of substance do you add here. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #44

Well he did admit upthread that he finds belief in demons perfectly reasonable. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #57

Is calling you a bigot really passive-aggressive - I would think it would just be aggressive. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #142

How in the world can you interpret that as bigotry? Brainstormy Mar 2014 #33

It's not a matter of "interpreting" anything as bigotry skepticscott Mar 2014 #35

The headline is bigoted flame bait. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #37

QED skepticscott Mar 2014 #39

Hmmmm...the OP is still up there skepticscott Mar 2014 #72

I'm not here to hide bigotry Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #116

But you sure seem to enjoy skepticscott Mar 2014 #124

It's just because nobody off-his-meds has torn his eyes out in church recently struggle4progress Mar 2014 #97

Àin't that the truth. nt Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #115

It's been decided. rug Mar 2014 #32

We had extensive discussion on this case here two months ago: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #38

And? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #55

I just provided six links. And you come back with --- well, nothing, really struggle4progress Mar 2014 #59

Links? What's your POINT? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #61

Apparently you weren't sufficiently impressed skepticscott Mar 2014 #69

I know, right? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #71

Perhaps the point is hiding behind a paywall. (n/t) Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #98

I'll go with mental illness Politicalboi Mar 2014 #85

The Maryland case is about mental illness nt LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #91

Mental illnesses that used religion as a vehicle. Gore1FL Mar 2014 #96

Which religion, that these women were involved in, taught them that stabbing young children struggle4progress Mar 2014 #101

Christianity Gore1FL Mar 2014 #104

huh? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #105

See 107. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2014 #108

Oh, that Jesus guy! Well, the old texts seem to indicate he was executed struggle4progress Mar 2014 #113

So God couldn't stop it? Gore1FL Mar 2014 #135

Huh? Where the hell did you get that idea? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #106

What happened to Jesus? Gore1FL Mar 2014 #107

No! No church that I know teaches what you are saying. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #110

Ask Abraham. n/t trotsky Mar 2014 #138

But in the story God did not allow him to kill his child. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #144

But he told Abraham to. trotsky Mar 2014 #149

Yes but God made clear at the end not to do it and that he doesn't want us to kill. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #150

That is your interpretation. trotsky Mar 2014 #151

Where does God say kill your Children? Where outside of that story? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #152

Go ask the Christians who disagree with your interpretation. trotsky Mar 2014 #153

I have never met one that believes that. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #154

I have. trotsky Mar 2014 #156

I never said they were. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #158

They do seem closer to universal than this totally unique one he claims. Leontius Mar 2014 #168

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #155

Well I asked! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #157

Nor should you. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #159

... But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!” struggle4progress Mar 2014 #169

Yet he was still told to murder his son. trotsky Mar 2014 #170

You want to read only as a Biblical literalist, which saves you all the trouble of any wrestling struggle4progress Mar 2014 #180

OK so all you did was post a bible quote. trotsky Mar 2014 #186

The story of Abraham and Isaac is not the story of a filicide struggle4progress Mar 2014 #188

I see. Option B it is. trotsky Mar 2014 #198

Actually this is a perfect example of the Bible's endless equivocation. Even on murding children Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #202

Yet God allowed men to murder his own son Jesus. And that was said to save all of us. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #178

You seem to be drifting off-topic here, the question raised (yet again) by the OP struggle4progress Mar 2014 #184

I see you've decided to be the on-topic police for this thread. Brilliant. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #191

That's off-topic, too struggle4progress Mar 2014 #192

You seemed to have missed the relation to the thread, of what I said Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #201

How about plain old genocide? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #181

You seem to be drifting off-topic here, the question raised (yet again) by the OP struggle4progress Mar 2014 #187

It is entirely on topic, but I do understand your discomfort. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #190

You go read by your lights, and I will read by mine struggle4progress Mar 2014 #193

I find myself wondering if Religion gets credit for the good that is done in its name? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #137

Yes. Now, should religion be held responsible for the bad done in its name? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #146

Yes. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #148

So perhaps you might agree that religions should stop teaching nonsense such as Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #160

I don't think they should teach excorcism at any rate el_bryanto Mar 2014 #163

Well that is a problem isn't it? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #164

What would holding religion responsible for the bad things they teach look like? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #166

It would look like religious institutions reflecting on what they should and should Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #173

OK and what did I say that indicated weakness in regards to that standard? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #177

And exactly who do you want to decide what religions should and should not teach? rug Mar 2014 #189

Here's just another example skepticscott Mar 2014 #195

That's not very honest is it? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #197

This post got me thinking about Harold Shipman goldent Mar 2014 #196