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skepticscott

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123. Yes, and we know how your family

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 10:28 PM

Mar 2014

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regards their personal experience as the final word on everything. But your little ivory tower world is really very small. "no one I know does/thinks that" is about the lamest argument out there.

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Religion Kills Two More Children [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2014 OP

Actually it looks like the two women killed them. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #1

Updated the OP with additional info. Have a look. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #2

Um well they are the ones who did it. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #3

And their religious beliefs played no part whatsoever? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #5

That remains to be seen. Could be a mental issue or could be they were brainwashed. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #7

When the (arguably) largest and most influential sect of xtianity in this country endorses exorcisms cleanhippie Mar 2014 #8

Ok so what does this mean to you? what is the take away here? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #9

When the (arguably) largest and most influential sect of xtianity in this country endorses exorcisms cleanhippie Mar 2014 #10

Were they a part of that largest denomination? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #11

Unsure, but irrelevant. They believe that exorcism is a valid form of demonic defense. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #16

what I am saying is that while it had a role we do not know enough info to hrmjustin Mar 2014 #17

I'm sure it wasn't the only factor, but it was a major one. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #23

time will tell. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #24

Time already told. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #25

They have to determine if mental issues are at play first. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #27

That has already been determined. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #30

What technical mental issue were they diagnosed with? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #31

Are those goalposts on wheels? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #40

have they been diagnosed by medical personal as have a mental issue? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #42

Are you asking because you don't know? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #47

Yes!!! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #48

I've read nothing in this article that mentions any specific diagnosis. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #49

Then we don't know yet why it was done. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #51

Sure we do: religious delusion and mental illness. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #53

I give up! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #54

Riiight. If you applied that kind of skepticism toward your own religious beliefs... cleanhippie Mar 2014 #58

Have you ever considered the possibility it may have been premeditated? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #62

Sure. That doesn't precluded mental illness and religious delusion. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #63

I have not excluded anything. my point is that we don't know yet. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #64

Oh, we know, you just don't want to acknowledge it. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #66

Are you kidding me? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #73

Are YOU kidding me? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #75

No, are you? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #78

Here's what the state attorney said back in January: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #99

Thanks but I thought we were supposed to blame religion for everything. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #103

The Montgomery county state's attorney may not spend much time posting in the DU Religion group struggle4progress Mar 2014 #109

Yeah I guess not. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #111

You didn't read the January thread on this? Or you just ignored what was there? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #26

This is an update on that case, dated today 3/17/14. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #28

In your reply #16 to justin's #11 (asking if the women were Roman Catholic), struggle4progress Mar 2014 #41

This article is dated today, 3/17/14. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #45

And today you seem to be pretending not to know struggle4progress Mar 2014 #56

Religious delusions require recent association with religion? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #60

"Religious delusions" can occur without any religiosity, as indicated by link here: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #65

And? Did you have a point? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #70

In your #65, you asked whether religious delusions require religion. I provided struggle4progress Mar 2014 #74

And? Did you have a point? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #76

I answered a question you asked struggle4progress Mar 2014 #102

Making a distinction between having religion, vs. "religiosity," is sophistical and irrelevant Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #176

Feel free to provide links: I've provided quite a few struggle4progress Mar 2014 #185

I've been deconstructing your quotes. And finding a second reading in them more critical of religion Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #199

They really need to coordinate their efforts better. rug Mar 2014 #29

If the intent is merely to produce gratifying yelps, of course, then struggle4progress Mar 2014 #68

Clearly the accused were citing religious concepts as the reasons for their actions Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #174

Yes but no Christian church I know advocates what they did so it looks like hrmjustin Mar 2014 #175

Or? An attempt to access religion unmediated by a - your own? - church? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #182

And your conclusion is what? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #183

1) Even allegedly "good" religion is commonly misused, even murderously. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #200

Well it looks like you want to use a tragedy to say religion is bad. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #203

Religion doesn't kill people, religious followers do? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #18

I would say yes. Christian Churches do not advocate killing a person during an exorsism. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #19

OK, but then remember than Christianity doesn't teach morality, Christians do muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #20

Good point. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #21

Very true. At least, some religious followers do. nt Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #22

They killed 2 children and wounded 2 older (5 and 8) children. Shrike47 Mar 2014 #4

You left out one other probable cause. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #6

There is one door you open here DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #128

If the atheist "religion" taught that mass Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #133

No DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #165

So that would be an indictment of the "bolshevik religion" not the "atheist religion". Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #171

And yet another broad brush attack against religion Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #12

Do religions that teach that demonic possession is real have no responsibility Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #13

Show me a religion that advocates or condones the behavior in the OP Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #43

Several mainstream religions advocate that demons can possess the human body. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #46

I'm not convinced it is bullshit. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #50

Wow. Well then no wonder you don't understand the complaint. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #52

And this coming from skepticscott Mar 2014 #67

Yep, sorry to disappoint, but I don't toe the strict atheist line. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #79

you aren't an atheist Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #80

Based on your definition, maybe. Check your dictionary. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #81

You seem to be skepticscott Mar 2014 #82

Hardly. I actually think I'm more like most atheists Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #84

Yes, and we can see from your posts here skepticscott Mar 2014 #88

Why is that SS? Because I call out the bigots? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #90

That balances out your posts. rug Mar 2014 #94

i know a lot of atheists, I read a lot of atheist blogs, books, etc. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #112

Really. Most of my friends are atheists or agnostic Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #117

you are determined to spin this yarn. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #119

I'm always happy to entertain and I enjoy exorcising demons Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #121

Yes, and we know how your family skepticscott Mar 2014 #123

I don't speak for my family, and I hope you post stands for all to see how you roll. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #136

Your family consistently tries to use skepticscott Mar 2014 #139

Maybe you'd care to back that up with a link or two Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #141

The links are in the same place skepticscott Mar 2014 #179

Aha, so you have nothing but spurious attacks. Thought so. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #205

Accepting the existence of a supernatural anything would tend to lend credence AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #129

I'd have to separate nessy from that list. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #132

I have never, in my entire life, met anyone, in any circumstance, who wanted to discuss demons struggle4progress Mar 2014 #122

What the hell is the difference between gods and demons? PassingFair Mar 2014 #125

For one thing, Balthazar was one of the three wise men. rug Mar 2014 #126

I guess Balthazar is a fictional demon. PassingFair Mar 2014 #127

Actually, he's a fictional man, not a demon at all. rug Mar 2014 #130

You'd have to ask the only true atheist in this thread. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #131

Are you serious? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #134

It's an insult to mental health care. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #77

You call it metaphor, I call it definition Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #83

Let's review your beliefs about demons skepticscott Mar 2014 #86

OK, do you think that the RCC, when they employ exorcists, Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #87

Sorry you find my lack of interest in comic books insulting. No offense intended Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #89

Except that we understand both of those problems much better now skepticscott Mar 2014 #92

Ritual is a big part of the human experience. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #95

I feel sorry for people who are superstitious because it's bad luck to be that way Fumesucker Mar 2014 #100

Now that is funny. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #118

That's your answer? A diatribe on ritual? skepticscott Mar 2014 #114

Posting stories about schizophrenics demonstrates nothing but the callousness of the poster. rug Mar 2014 #120

Thank you . Leontius Mar 2014 #167

You're not convinced that demonic possession is bullshit? Iggo Mar 2014 #140

Depends on how one defines "Demonic possession" Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #143

Okay. Iggo Mar 2014 #147

Good on you! Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #162

How exactly do these "personalities" invade "hosts"? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #172

How? Why, by boring tiny microscopic holes in the top of your head while you sleep Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #204

Stop it how? rug Mar 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author goldent Mar 2014 #194

One certainly doesn't have to believe in any deity to be convinced that demons exist. AlbertCat Mar 2014 #145

So, you call anything we don't understand "supernatural"? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #161

And yet another accusation of bigotry skepticscott Mar 2014 #14

The lines were already blurred, as evidenced by the second article in the OP. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #15

Really? Do you consider your motives intellectually honest when you post this hateful trash? Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #34

Apparently, by your thinking skepticscott Mar 2014 #36

All you have are personal attacks. Nothing of substance do you add here. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #44

Well he did admit upthread that he finds belief in demons perfectly reasonable. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #57

Is calling you a bigot really passive-aggressive - I would think it would just be aggressive. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #142

How in the world can you interpret that as bigotry? Brainstormy Mar 2014 #33

It's not a matter of "interpreting" anything as bigotry skepticscott Mar 2014 #35

The headline is bigoted flame bait. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #37

QED skepticscott Mar 2014 #39

Hmmmm...the OP is still up there skepticscott Mar 2014 #72

I'm not here to hide bigotry Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #116

But you sure seem to enjoy skepticscott Mar 2014 #124

It's just because nobody off-his-meds has torn his eyes out in church recently struggle4progress Mar 2014 #97

Àin't that the truth. nt Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #115

It's been decided. rug Mar 2014 #32

We had extensive discussion on this case here two months ago: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #38

And? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #55

I just provided six links. And you come back with --- well, nothing, really struggle4progress Mar 2014 #59

Links? What's your POINT? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #61

Apparently you weren't sufficiently impressed skepticscott Mar 2014 #69

I know, right? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #71

Perhaps the point is hiding behind a paywall. (n/t) Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #98

I'll go with mental illness Politicalboi Mar 2014 #85

The Maryland case is about mental illness nt LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #91

Mental illnesses that used religion as a vehicle. Gore1FL Mar 2014 #96

Which religion, that these women were involved in, taught them that stabbing young children struggle4progress Mar 2014 #101

Christianity Gore1FL Mar 2014 #104

huh? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #105

See 107. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2014 #108

Oh, that Jesus guy! Well, the old texts seem to indicate he was executed struggle4progress Mar 2014 #113

So God couldn't stop it? Gore1FL Mar 2014 #135

Huh? Where the hell did you get that idea? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #106

What happened to Jesus? Gore1FL Mar 2014 #107

No! No church that I know teaches what you are saying. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #110

Ask Abraham. n/t trotsky Mar 2014 #138

But in the story God did not allow him to kill his child. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #144

But he told Abraham to. trotsky Mar 2014 #149

Yes but God made clear at the end not to do it and that he doesn't want us to kill. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #150

That is your interpretation. trotsky Mar 2014 #151

Where does God say kill your Children? Where outside of that story? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #152

Go ask the Christians who disagree with your interpretation. trotsky Mar 2014 #153

I have never met one that believes that. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #154

I have. trotsky Mar 2014 #156

I never said they were. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #158

They do seem closer to universal than this totally unique one he claims. Leontius Mar 2014 #168

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #155

Well I asked! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #157

Nor should you. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #159

... But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!” struggle4progress Mar 2014 #169

Yet he was still told to murder his son. trotsky Mar 2014 #170

You want to read only as a Biblical literalist, which saves you all the trouble of any wrestling struggle4progress Mar 2014 #180

OK so all you did was post a bible quote. trotsky Mar 2014 #186

The story of Abraham and Isaac is not the story of a filicide struggle4progress Mar 2014 #188

I see. Option B it is. trotsky Mar 2014 #198

Actually this is a perfect example of the Bible's endless equivocation. Even on murding children Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #202

Yet God allowed men to murder his own son Jesus. And that was said to save all of us. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #178

You seem to be drifting off-topic here, the question raised (yet again) by the OP struggle4progress Mar 2014 #184

I see you've decided to be the on-topic police for this thread. Brilliant. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #191

That's off-topic, too struggle4progress Mar 2014 #192

You seemed to have missed the relation to the thread, of what I said Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #201

How about plain old genocide? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #181

You seem to be drifting off-topic here, the question raised (yet again) by the OP struggle4progress Mar 2014 #187

It is entirely on topic, but I do understand your discomfort. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #190

You go read by your lights, and I will read by mine struggle4progress Mar 2014 #193

I find myself wondering if Religion gets credit for the good that is done in its name? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #137

Yes. Now, should religion be held responsible for the bad done in its name? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #146

Yes. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #148

So perhaps you might agree that religions should stop teaching nonsense such as Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #160

I don't think they should teach excorcism at any rate el_bryanto Mar 2014 #163

Well that is a problem isn't it? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #164

What would holding religion responsible for the bad things they teach look like? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #166

It would look like religious institutions reflecting on what they should and should Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #173

OK and what did I say that indicated weakness in regards to that standard? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #177

And exactly who do you want to decide what religions should and should not teach? rug Mar 2014 #189

Here's just another example skepticscott Mar 2014 #195

That's not very honest is it? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #197

This post got me thinking about Harold Shipman goldent Mar 2014 #196