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TM99

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285. The best that I can do is encourage you

Fri May 9, 2014, 11:09 AM

May 2014

to read well beyond what you have at this point.

Take the time to study Ayer and Drange to understand what I am saying as an Ignostic. Language, Truth, and Logic by Ayer is pivotal in what I am presenting here and yes, it does challenge the 'internet' memes of what 'atheism' is or isn't.

You already said you are not a philosophy major. Fine, you don't have to be, but you do need to know more about epistemology especially what is actually meant with regards to 'belief' & 'knowledge'. Even the 'justified true belief' that you and AtheistCrusader are attempting in a rather round about fashion to discuss has been questioned and extended upon since 1960's with input from psychology, AI, cognitive neuroscience, etc.

Everything else you wrote is gobbledygook. I suspect you think that is insulting, and it is no more so than suggesting to someone who was studying academically these topics before you were born or when you were but a wee child that they are confusing secularism with atheism.

Please stop with the internet links and self-referential factoids. I need you to read at least some summaries of Ayer before we can progress with this topic preferably in another thread so as not to side-track the current one.

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what is the most important aspect of the interaction between belivers and non believers [View all] arely staircase May 2014 OP

Common ground and respect for one another. hrmjustin May 2014 #1

the common ground can not be found with one side arely staircase May 2014 #9

Agree, the effort has to come from all sides and when there is cbayer May 2014 #12

Well that is one reason that I never question an athiests belief. That is personal and their right. hrmjustin May 2014 #13

I dint proselytize either arely staircase May 2014 #15

Yeah, you did. Goblinmonger May 2014 #17

No he didn't. Get a clue as to what proselytizing is. rug May 2014 #45

It's somewhat passive but when someone comes to my door with that AtheistCrusader May 2014 #144

I have been insulted in real life by atheists but it is very very rare. hrmjustin May 2014 #18

same here. real life attacks on my faith have come from fundamenatlist christians. nt arely staircase May 2014 #21

Yeah I would imagine where you are the fundamentalists are a huge issue. hrmjustin May 2014 #22

And I am an ambulatory pumpkin. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #142

Atheism is not a belief. phil89 May 2014 #161

Atheism incorporates beliefs. Starboard Tack May 2014 #179

You can call those things "beliefs" skepticscott May 2014 #191

Being convinced is believing based on evidence. Starboard Tack May 2014 #205

Laughable skepticscott May 2014 #212

Very good Scott. I share those beliefs with you. Starboard Tack May 2014 #220

Who 'we', white man? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #225

No, I am an atheist that aspires to common decency and respect for all. Starboard Tack May 2014 #245

Oh dear, you lost me there AC Starboard Tack May 2014 #342

You circle back 11 hours later and don't know SE Cupp is a female? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #343

Oh, I think we all do aspire to faith , in one way or another. Starboard Tack May 2014 #345

Really? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #347

Wow! What a wonderfully refreshing and honest post. Starboard Tack May 2014 #349

In other words, you BELIEVE that there is no God Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #241

I know you love to falsely attribute statements to other people skepticscott May 2014 #326

I do not "make up shit" about anyone or anything. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #357

It is not "just as much an act of faith" not believe in unicorns, as to believe in them. enki23 May 2014 #370

To repeat Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #379

Why am I unsurprised that you think repeating something makes it true? enki23 May 2014 #381

And why am I unsurprised that you insist on denying an obvious fact? Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #383

I've gotta say, this little exchange is the freaking *essence* of debate with the religious enki23 May 2014 #385

103. Christian calls non-religious person a bigot skepticscott May 2014 #387

Thank you for that uninformative, patronizing and basically false statement Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #389

No, atheism does not incorporate any beliefs. Atheism does not state there is no god. phil89 May 2014 #211

Believing in something exisiting or not existing is still believing. Starboard Tack May 2014 #222

Wrong. I don't believe gods don't exist phil89 May 2014 #286

Which means you have considered the possibility Starboard Tack May 2014 #306

Again, wrong. phil89 May 2014 #337

OK, let's not worry about it. Starboard Tack May 2014 #340

Atheism makes the assertion that God does not exist Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #242

Atheism does not assert that god does not exist. phil89 May 2014 #287

You have no idea what you are talking about. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #224

Actually he does. TM99 May 2014 #228

The atheist isn't JUST the one who says "no" LostOne4Ever May 2014 #234

I strongly disagree. TM99 May 2014 #246

That's not what the words mean Goblinmonger May 2014 #247

Oh my goodness, that chart, I am stealing the hell out of that AtheistCrusader May 2014 #257

Maybe pictures will make it more clear, right? Goblinmonger May 2014 #258

It's perfect. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #259

Again, you don't understand gnostic/agnostic. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #256

And I strongly disagree with that LostOne4Ever May 2014 #263

^^THIS^^ Goblinmonger May 2014 #266

I'm reasonably certain it's willful. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #267

Probably LostOne4Ever May 2014 #269

That's not a problem Goblinmonger May 2014 #271

I FULLY understand LostOne4Ever May 2014 #279

This recent SE Cupp 'atheist' infestation is painfully obvious in nature. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #272

I agree LostOne4Ever May 2014 #275

Give it a week. They'll try something else instead. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #277

The best that I can do is encourage you TM99 May 2014 #285

What HAVEN'T you studied Goblinmonger May 2014 #288

No I don't think it was insulting LostOne4Ever May 2014 #289

Good. TM99 May 2014 #305

Now here we can find common ground! LostOne4Ever May 2014 #325

That's a lot of big words for someone who can't figure out what 'Atheist' means. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #293

People who are familiar with the culture and history okasha May 2014 #330

This again ignores the fact skepticscott May 2014 #335

My Robin Hood example LostOne4Ever May 2014 #338

So what about ST? okasha May 2014 #344

Where have I declared that he is not an atheist? LostOne4Ever May 2014 #346

Oh good grief, I just told you what agnostic means. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #249

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #281

I'll take that as an admission that you are wrong. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #284

You do make me laugh sometimes TM99 May 2014 #295

"But when it comes to the mind and psychology, yes, 'not believing' is a form of 'belief'." AtheistCrusader May 2014 #297

Have some dignity my friend. TM99 May 2014 #311

Interestingly there was a huge monkey-shit-flinging fight in here not too long ago AtheistCrusader May 2014 #312

I'm not smart enough to get into this discussion with educated debate and philosophy passiveporcupine May 2014 #362

Nice post ... Thanks wavesofeuphoria May 2014 #384

There is someone here who knows just WTF you're talking about Lordquinton May 2014 #350

Seem like he'll have to skepticscott May 2014 #365

Is your understanding of the issue really that incomplete? skepticscott May 2014 #327

Why would it require proof? stone space May 2014 #237

Exactly. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #243

I don't. Even Dawkins doesn't. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #255

OOOO! Dawkins Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #260

Please re-read what I said. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #262

Evoking the sacred name of Dawkins, at which name Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #291

I don't say 'there is no god'. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #292

dawkins is basically the Atheist pope for many arely staircase May 2014 #301

Baloney skepticscott May 2014 #329

you are right arely staircase May 2014 #331

Error. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #253

"The extremists, on either side of the argument, are very similar to each other" Lordquinton May 2014 #351

Thank you for proving my point Starboard Tack May 2014 #361

By highlighting your post, yes I did Lordquinton May 2014 #364

If there is one thing I never do, it is equivocate. Starboard Tack May 2014 #368

No, thank you for the laugh. Lordquinton May 2014 #372

Now you are equivocating. Starboard Tack May 2014 #377

silly thesists asserting a nonbelief is a belief griloco May 2014 #348

heaven and hell arely staircase May 2014 #164

I always say I was saved 2000 years ago on a hill outside Jerusalem with the rest of humanity. hrmjustin May 2014 #165

me too arely staircase May 2014 #167

It does. hrmjustin May 2014 #168

It isn't about sides and one telling the other their beliefs are wrong. Starboard Tack May 2014 #23

I have walked into certain bars and provoked people with my mere presence arely staircase May 2014 #28

Ok, I have just got to ask. What is it about you that is so provocative in a bar? cbayer May 2014 #33

mowhawk and piercings arely staircase May 2014 #38

Got it! cbayer May 2014 #40

Oh and Jack was superb.. pangaia May 2014 #170

ok you have to explain nt arely staircase May 2014 #174

Cbayer mentioned Easy Rider pangaia May 2014 #182

Yep. I have said "nik, nik, nik" on more than one occasion. cbayer May 2014 #183

Umm... Ezra B is my favorite nik, nik, niker.. pangaia May 2014 #208

cool arely staircase May 2014 #185

Thank YOU for asking. pangaia May 2014 #210

You keep insisting it was your mere presence. That wasn't it. As has been explained to your repeated AtheistCrusader May 2014 #146

don't remember you from those bars. arely staircase May 2014 #157

Hyuck hyuck. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #159

And it is difficult to respect someone who shoehorns their belief into a protected group, intaglio May 2014 #101

respect for one another. AlbertCat May 2014 #116

Interesting Question. hrmjustin May 2014 #118

I don't think the believers here said that for the most part. AlbertCat May 2014 #131

Not all members of the Abrahamic religions believe in hell. hrmjustin May 2014 #132

As you know, I post a lot in this group and I have never seen anyone post that. cbayer May 2014 #145

perhaps you just post and don't read? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #150

One poster here thinks you will Lordquinton May 2014 #136

Who is that? cbayer May 2014 #147

You read this forum Lordquinton May 2014 #354

Oh, please. This meme is old and inaccurate. cbayer May 2014 #359

Is this what you mean skepticscott May 2014 #366

How about respectfully finding areas of commonality? Goblinmonger May 2014 #2

There wasn't a shred of respect in how he was treated in either of those threads. rug May 2014 #48

The very first post in that thread was thanking him/her LostOne4Ever May 2014 #133

Followed by? rug May 2014 #155

A post warning them that the language she/he used LostOne4Ever May 2014 #173

Is that a euphemism for a berating swarm? rug May 2014 #193

One post is a berating swarm? LostOne4Ever May 2014 #196

What would you call 89? rug May 2014 #199

In that specific case I would call it "well deserved" (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2014 #201

A "well deserved" berating swarm? rug May 2014 #202

If you want to call it that LostOne4Ever May 2014 #215

From the timestamps it looks like he poseted in Religion after he was blocked from A&A. rug May 2014 #303

Okay lets look over the time stamps LostOne4Ever May 2014 #324

Could be. rug May 2014 #341

Shit stirring Dorian Gray May 2014 #214

There's something sadly amusing about an atheist forum being so concerned with blasphemy. (nt) stone space May 2014 #236

Dialogue is nice, but can be difficult when confronted with fundamentalists, whether we are... stone space May 2014 #68

Double down. Goblinmonger May 2014 #69

Double down on what? My experiences with fundamentalism? They haven't been good. (nt) stone space May 2014 #70

Double down and feign being obtuse. Goblinmonger May 2014 #72

I can only assume that by me "doubling down" you mean that... stone space May 2014 #75

"a pattern that I have observed from some here" Goblinmonger May 2014 #81

"atheist fundamentalists" Lordquinton May 2014 #137

What is an "atheist fundamentalist"? phil89 May 2014 #162

here AtheistCrusader May 2014 #280

You're right that people often don't acknowledge their disrespect. cheyanne May 2014 #184

On, DU? Finding common ground is unquestionably more important, imo. cbayer May 2014 #3

How the fuck do we find 'common ground' with a group of people that believe they have an absolute AtheistCrusader May 2014 #5

Are you finding those people on DU? cbayer May 2014 #8

I certainly find apologists for them. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #10

Well, that may be true, but does being an "apologist" (whatever that means) cbayer May 2014 #14

Yes it does. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #19

Clearly that would not be an area of common ground. cbayer May 2014 #24

I do try not to do the AtheistCrusader May 2014 #26

I recognize that you are torn about this. cbayer May 2014 #31

I would probably have to avoid AtheistCrusader May 2014 #37

Clearly it is an issue that pushes your buttons and pushes them hard. cbayer May 2014 #39

I would be satisfied if we got to a point where AtheistCrusader May 2014 #43

Well, since that is not going to happen. cbayer May 2014 #49

I disagree with you there. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #76

If anything, the intersection between religion and politics has grown tremendously cbayer May 2014 #78

You said passiveporcupine May 2014 #166

No, it doesn't mean that at all. cbayer May 2014 #169

No, I don't expect anyone to have to hide their religion passiveporcupine May 2014 #172

I would venture that you have some strong moral imperatives that would guide you cbayer May 2014 #175

I agree we have much in common passiveporcupine May 2014 #176

Exactly. cbayer May 2014 #180

I suspect the religion group would rather not have me here passiveporcupine May 2014 #187

The religion group is open to believers and non believers and is not a safe haven forum. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #192

Thank you passiveporcupine May 2014 #195

I think the religion group would welcome you. cbayer May 2014 #198

Your allways welcome here my friend. hrmjustin May 2014 #200

I've seen some post in support of them Lordquinton May 2014 #134

Lol, mass bannings for differences of opinion? cbayer May 2014 #143

No, bannings for anti-progressive comments. trotsky May 2014 #177

How dare you criticize skepticscott May 2014 #188

You might start by looking at your feet. They're not planted where you think. rug May 2014 #50

Am I? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #54

Ok then: Lordquinton May 2014 #138

Share with me who "us" is. rug May 2014 #154

A strawman Lordquinton May 2014 #352

You haven't answered the question. rug May 2014 #358

You didn't answer the question either Lordquinton May 2014 #363

Sorry, dialogue from Pee Wee's Big Adventure holds no interest for me. rug May 2014 #369

Share with us your stance on Abortion and Women as priests. Lordquinton May 2014 #371

Sure, as soon as you tell me who "us" is. rug May 2014 #373

Then stop acting like a child and answer the straight forward question. Lordquinton May 2014 #374

Don't tell me what to do. You answer the question. Who's your "us"? rug May 2014 #375

You answer the question. What is your stance on Abortion and Women as priests? Lordquinton May 2014 #376

You answer the question. Who's the "us" you're invoking? rug May 2014 #380

How to find common ground with fundamentalists. cheyanne May 2014 #189

How to find common ground with fundamentalists. cheyanne May 2014 #190

This isn't a safe haven Goblinmonger May 2014 #7

It isn't a place for sociopathic behavior either. rug May 2014 #51

I can't wait to see the same crowd that INSISTED on associating my common use of 'delusion' AtheistCrusader May 2014 #141

There is a test. rug May 2014 #153

I see said 'how dare you suggest mental health disorder' crew showed up AtheistCrusader May 2014 #226

Quote mining a safe haven. rug May 2014 #296

You might ALSO take that up with the feigned outrage mental health/delusion comparison crew. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #298

I don't have a problem with it all. Your compadres however go apoplectic at the thought. rug May 2014 #300

Well, attempting to diagnose someone with a mental health issue in the context of an argument AtheistCrusader May 2014 #304

interesting article and blog arely staircase May 2014 #41

Thanks. That is a great link. cbayer May 2014 #46

This is a very thoughtful Dorian Gray May 2014 #231

the only thing I will say about that AA post arely staircase May 2014 #238

Backhanded compliments have a way of pissing people off. trotsky May 2014 #254

I haven't attacked anyone arely staircase May 2014 #264

You might not think you did. trotsky May 2014 #268

please alert on all threads were I have insulted anyone arely staircase May 2014 #270

it was alerted on and locked as a violation of the AA SOP. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #315

so what are still complaining about? nt arely staircase May 2014 #321

You have the interfaith forum that you wanted for just that purpose. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #61

Poll options too simplistic for a meaningful response. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #4

good point. I will make a change nt arely staircase May 2014 #11

To avoid being condescending and disingenuous. Iggo May 2014 #6

This is a good point. Do you think there is a way for people to help each other do that? cbayer May 2014 #16

Not if they insist, and then double-down when they get booted from a safe haven. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #20

Not going there. cbayer May 2014 #25

It may not have been. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #27

How to find common ground cheyanne May 2014 #29

in my community the common ground is generally found arely staircase May 2014 #30

Yes, this is common ground for atheists as well as all religions. cheyanne May 2014 #56

I can assure mine infringe on nobody but mine are infringed upon. arely staircase May 2014 #57

I like what you are saying here up to a point, but it disregards non-believers. cbayer May 2014 #32

Thank you for that. Goblinmonger May 2014 #34

I'm sorry I didn't include non-believers cheyanne May 2014 #52

Reading it in the context of your own position regarding religion, it makes more sense. cbayer May 2014 #53

Why do people need to be sorted into "believers" and "disbelievers" when working together djean111 May 2014 #35

they shouldn't be arely staircase May 2014 #36

Your OP is based specifically on making that distinction skepticscott May 2014 #59

because it is the most glaring distinction in DU religion arely staircase May 2014 #60

Your OP doesn't restrict the consideration to DU religion skepticscott May 2014 #67

please accept apologies arely staircase May 2014 #71

You were skepticscott May 2014 #87

You assume honest motives. rug May 2014 #42

ROFL AtheistCrusader May 2014 #44

The funniest things are based on truth. rug May 2014 #47

Assuming honest motives is a prerequisite for any cheyanne May 2014 #55

The most important common ground skepticscott May 2014 #58

Now, that's just silly. Obviously you are referring to the existence or... stone space May 2014 #73

Obviously? Spare me skepticscott May 2014 #85

No Scott, we don't let them "slide". We just don't give a fuck. Starboard Tack May 2014 #307

The reality of religious beliefs are not important for working toward common goals. cheyanne May 2014 #181

So, in saying this, Dorian Gray May 2014 #232

Another person who thinks they know what's "obvious" skepticscott May 2014 #233

Thanks for the clarification Dorian Gray May 2014 #235

Well, for starts, try not posting a lot of "god-bless" nonsense in the A&A safehaven. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #62

And by not calling the family members of atheists dishonest in the A&A room. stone space May 2014 #79

If you're going to characterize the people in A&A skepticscott May 2014 #84

My wife is not dishonest. Such accusations are based on nothing but ignorance and stereotypes. stone space May 2014 #88

It's not an attempt "to characterize the people in A&A". rug May 2014 #105

Oh dear! Are they still doing that shit? Sad. Starboard Tack May 2014 #86

It appears so. And they call it a safe haven. There's nothing safe about it. (nt) stone space May 2014 #89

DU calls it a safe haven. Goblinmonger May 2014 #107

A safe haven is not a place to bash DUers or their partners. rug May 2014 #109

I agree. hrmjustin May 2014 #119

It is a revealing one isn't it? rug May 2014 #120

I think that was just mean spirited. hrmjustin May 2014 #122

whether they are or not, they can't stop posting about me. rug May 2014 #124

Indeed! I think some here need to look at themselves before judging others. hrmjustin May 2014 #125

You're a good man, Justin, and a thoughtful one. rug May 2014 #126

As are you my friend! hrmjustin May 2014 #127

Why, thank you! onager May 2014 #218

Well, let's just have a look at that post you're so fond of. rug May 2014 #299

Yep, hardly through the gates and he's already being skinned alive. Starboard Tack May 2014 #117

Few things Goblinmonger May 2014 #121

What people are you afraid he is going to set off? Starboard Tack May 2014 #223

I don't have an axe to grind with liberal progressive people of faith LostOne4Ever May 2014 #229

As you are hopefully aware Goblinmonger May 2014 #244

Let me take this one step at a time GM Starboard Tack May 2014 #265

"The reason you were banned." Rob H. May 2014 #251

Yes. I would agree Goblinmonger May 2014 #252

Gee, and just a couple of days ago there were complaints about the Inquisition. rug May 2014 #123

How dare he have an opinion! hrmjustin May 2014 #128

He was not blocked for that LostOne4Ever May 2014 #230

No I understand. I was just fooling around. hrmjustin May 2014 #240

They do make it a habit. That's the second wife they've attacked in there, isn't it? rug May 2014 #103

I "called out" a family member of yours? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #90

Tolerance PumpkinAle May 2014 #63

hey, we liberal christians are told we are as hell bound as any atheist by fundamentalists nt arely staircase May 2014 #65

Wat exactly riles you? How does it affect your tolerance? Starboard Tack May 2014 #91

Ghandi said it first........... PumpkinAle May 2014 #178

This trope is so goddamned tiring Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #64

Well, that's an interesting point. cbayer May 2014 #66

My opinion is that this doesn't have to be a "wedge issue" at all. Curmudgeoness May 2014 #197

Should people keep their sexuality to themselves? cbayer May 2014 #203

I am not sure that we can do something about it though. Curmudgeoness May 2014 #207

I am not convinced that religiosity is necessarily a choice, at least not for everyone. cbayer May 2014 #239

To choose or not to choose. Curmudgeoness May 2014 #336

You may be right and you may be wrong. cbayer May 2014 #339

*slow approving clap* n/t Rainforestgoddess May 2014 #74

Holy shit. trotsky May 2014 #77

. Iggo May 2014 #80

Ignore Prosperity Gospel Jesus. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #82

never was a big fan of calvin, or knox arely staircase May 2014 #92

This case is closed. Congratulations Act_of_Reparation, mr blur May 2014 #114

oh, mr blur. You are not the arbiter of this case and I doubt very much cbayer May 2014 #115

Do you have any response to the questions I presented to him in my responding post? AlbertCat May 2014 #130

Well, that's certainly your opinion. cbayer May 2014 #139

None of the Above. The most important aspect is RESPECT. n/t TygrBright May 2014 #83

Hmmm.. Fix The Stupid May 2014 #93

I know what you mean. cbayer May 2014 #94

... Fix The Stupid May 2014 #96

Because it is just ridicule and mocking, the tools which you say are the best available to you. cbayer May 2014 #99

Again..why? Fix The Stupid May 2014 #104

Because it is lame. cbayer May 2014 #110

So if Odin is "universally" held to be made up skepticscott May 2014 #112

Lol, no, they're both the same, the world is flat and unshadowed. rug May 2014 #113

Lol, no, they're both the same, AlbertCat May 2014 #160

That is very nearly the most ignorant statement I've read on theism. rug May 2014 #163

That is very nearly the most ignorant statement I've read on theism. View profile AlbertCat May 2014 #171

"Baloney! It is not." I was unpersuaded until you used the exclamation point. rug May 2014 #194

Try it this time without mentioning the Easter Bunny. AlbertCat May 2014 #216

I didn't know the Easter Bunny had prehistoric origins. rug May 2014 #302

Yes, you keep repeating that belief in Santa Claus or unicorns skepticscott May 2014 #97

Oh, silly it's because... Goblinmonger May 2014 #108

I can respect people's humanity, their value as people, the good things they do... TygrBright May 2014 #135

Some here are unfortunately are not going to give it. hrmjustin May 2014 #95

To which you might have added - "not publishing push polls to get the result I want" intaglio May 2014 #98

I agree that this is a push poll, but fail to see how it is an insult to atheists. cbayer May 2014 #100

Because it attempts to isolate those atheists who found arely's post in AandA foolish intaglio May 2014 #102

While I can see what you are saying, I'm not going to get into that debate. cbayer May 2014 #106

Understandable n/t intaglio May 2014 #111

So you choose to ignore the bad aspects Lordquinton May 2014 #308

I don't choose to ignore bad aspects and and drum up the good. cbayer May 2014 #314

Ifind it hard to accept your apolagy Lordquinton May 2014 #355

Are you kidding? cbayer May 2014 #360

I'm sick of hearing about how Jesus is the magic answer to every problem in life. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #129

Well, if your belief in facts and reason and causation are so strong, why do you have cbayer May 2014 #148

Because rationalists are being told to shut up by many Christians. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #149

love cosmos arely staircase May 2014 #156

Does that happen here? cbayer May 2014 #158

This poll seems to have an unspoken backstory. Thus any participation would be read according to a Bluenorthwest May 2014 #140

I just learn to stay away Politicalboi May 2014 #151

Air hockey shenmue May 2014 #152

How about pinball? cbayer May 2014 #186

Interesting results. hrmjustin May 2014 #204

I would love to see the hosts of this group put their heads together about the SOP. cbayer May 2014 #206

I wish but it won't happen. hrmjustin May 2014 #209

And some here say they want unity skepticscott May 2014 #332

You were a host here skepticscott May 2014 #217

you got your interfaith forum. You hardly use it. It is a snore fest. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #219

We have debates in the interfaith room. hrmjustin May 2014 #221

No, you have a few meta discussions skepticscott May 2014 #333

My position on that is that it is both unrealistic and unnecessary Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #248

I am not advocating for a decrease in diversity at all. cbayer May 2014 #250

THIS ISN'T A SAFE HAVEN Goblinmonger May 2014 #261

No need to shout. hrmjustin May 2014 #273

She's thought out loud about it several times Goblinmonger May 2014 #274

She is well aware of that. And she is allowed to have thoughts. hrmjustin May 2014 #276

So am I. Goblinmonger May 2014 #278

and she gave her opinion. hrmjustin May 2014 #283

No, you want an SOP that you hope will skepticscott May 2014 #334

So if Skepticscott says there is no difference between Jesus and any other god, what reasons do you Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #213

Dawkins accepts the likelihood of a historical Jesus arely staircase May 2014 #282

You are kind of overselling that Goblinmonger May 2014 #290

thanks for making my point nt arely staircase May 2014 #294

Dawkins basically says Goblinmonger May 2014 #309

"historical Jesus portrayed in the Bible." arely staircase May 2014 #310

There is no other version of Jesus Goblinmonger May 2014 #313

flavius josephus, the jewish historian recorded the death of jesus brother james arely staircase May 2014 #320

You know that the Josephus documents were tampered with Goblinmonger May 2014 #322

yes and historians are pretty much in agreement about which parts arely staircase May 2014 #323

would the non-existence of the biblical jesus change your belief? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #317

Push Poll Hissyspit May 2014 #227

For instance, we need to find common ground with Boko Haram enki23 May 2014 #316

hush now, not *those* believers. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #318

+100 skepticscott May 2014 #367

That rant was either sarcasm or moving the goalposts. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #319

I am pretty sure some people spend more time worrying about other peoples' lives then do others. Tikki May 2014 #328

for me the comments that make me so angry is when.... chillfactor May 2014 #353

RESPECT. nt darkangel218 May 2014 #356

I think mutual respect has to come first Prophet 451 May 2014 #378

Exactly. hrmjustin May 2014 #382

Maybe people tell you faith is "unscientific" because so many people who aren't you claim it is. enki23 May 2014 #386

Few things Prophet 451 May 2014 #388