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In reply to the discussion: Agnostic atheism: a reasonable position on spiritual matters, or the only reasonable position... [View all]Agnosticism is FAR MORE of an actively chosen position than atheism.
Atheism simply require a person to *not* adopt one specific belief. That's it.
Agnosticism requires a sophisticated evaluation about the claimed nature of deity in order to arrive at a conclusion that one believes that nature to render the acquisition of certain knowledge about whether said deity exists impossible to acquire. (At least if the person saying they're an agnostic has any clue what the word means and isn't using it as idiotic shorthand for a philosophical shoulder shrug and a mumbled "I dunno".)
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Agnostic atheism: a reasonable position on spiritual matters, or the only reasonable position... [View all]
Htom Sirveaux
Jul 2014
OP
The point is that usually even our "supernatural" God is said to effect visible material things
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#27
It may be more a piece of exploring one's identity. Sexual identity and religious preference
pinto
Jul 2014
#15
No. I choose to let people call themselves whatever it is they prefer. And I'll follow their lead.
pinto
Jul 2014
#21
As a general rule, I agree that people's self-definitions should be respected.
Htom Sirveaux
Jul 2014
#23
My statement was meant for both believers and non-believers. Sorry if that was not clear.
cbayer
Jul 2014
#26
No, but I can find you lots of definitions of agnosticism that sees it as a stand
cbayer
Jul 2014
#68
But I do that all the time. You just refuse to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit into your
cbayer
Jul 2014
#82
Agnosticism is a good default position. Until evidence begins to pile up against religion
Brettongarcia
Jul 2014
#31
I meant it in the sense of "I don't know". Which I think is a common default position.
pinto
Jul 2014
#49
? Doesn't it mean "not knowing"? Or acknowledging doubt, uncertainty, or perhaps disinterest?
pinto
Jul 2014
#51
OK. I'm an agnostic, not out of ignorance or irrationality, but out of a reasoned point of view.
pinto
Jul 2014
#56
Some people are really invested in evading the question of whether or not god exists.
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2014
#73
While you can make the argument that atheism is just a passive non-position, the
cbayer
Jul 2014
#111
To me, the knowing would trump believing. Believing would be unnecessary if you knew.
Demit
Jul 2014
#98