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TreasonousBastard

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2. No, but the question is...

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:52 AM

Sep 2014

would it be a crime if he did this with a statue of some war hero? Or anyone or thing else?

I don't think prank simulating a BJ should be a crime at all. But if it is a crime, it should be for simulating the BJ, not who it's simulated with.

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Christian privilege and the “desecration” of a Jesus statue [View all] cleanhippie Sep 2014 OP

Of course the kid shouldn't be charged with anything. stopbush Sep 2014 #1

No, but the question is... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #2

You make a good point. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #3

I don't think so either, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #4

I feel there is still a place for "public lewdness" laws. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #6

Actually, it seems that Pennsylvania has some weird... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #8

Peeing on property is vandalism or causing damage. This "venerated object" is BS. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #9

How about trespassing? MADem Sep 2014 #52

How about there was no criminal act? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64

What is this "the two of you SEEM TO BE..." stuff? Why are you so rudely characterizing me MADem Sep 2014 #65

Because you and treasonousbastard seem to be desperately searching for some other crime. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #67

Now I "seem to be" desperate? Come off it. Stop talking about ME. Talk about the issues. MADem Sep 2014 #68

No, it was on the lawn of a religious organization. rug Sep 2014 #74

Oh dear Warren. Where are you going with this? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #109

Maybe you should proof read more often Lordquinton Sep 2014 #118

Yes milord! Proofreading is good. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #119

Wow, just wow Lordquinton Sep 2014 #121

I'm not searching for any such thing, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #111

I think it breaks down to a public/private property issue, myself. MADem Sep 2014 #66

I don't think that holds up if this lawn isn't fenced off or clearly delineated to not be... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #69

I find it more interesting how so many supposed progressives are willing to excuse hate crimes rug Sep 2014 #75

Here's a HINT, this is NOT a hate crime, hell you wouldn't even know what the fuck... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #77

Here's a FACT. He is being charged under an actual hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #79

I'm sure you know a LOT more about hate crime than you would care to admit. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #80

That's right. I encounter hateful people daily in the most surprising places. rug Sep 2014 #82

I know you do every Sunday, behind the pulpit! Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #90

Who thinks this is a good idea? TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #114

More "seems" from people who are blinded by the religious element. That "seems" to be the MADem Sep 2014 #117

Trespassing might be the closest "real" violation... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #112

As usual, they're missing the point. rug Sep 2014 #5

You think this is a "hate crime"? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #7

By definition it is a hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #12

How is this a 'hate crime'? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #10

We had this discussion yesterday. Did you forget? rug Sep 2014 #13

Did you forget that question was not answered? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #15

It was answered, reanswered, wrapped and delivered with a bow. rug Sep 2014 #16

Like hell it was. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #17

Read it again. rug Sep 2014 #18

Cant repeat what you never said. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #19

No soap. I've spent enough time with you already. rug Sep 2014 #20

The statute is. My objection is that the actions of the accused do not match the criteria AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #24

I said that yesterday. rug Sep 2014 #25

No to both questions. Leontius Sep 2014 #11

I agree. rug Sep 2014 #14

How the ever loving fuck is this a "hate crime", or, perhaps more importantly... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #21

Go ask AC. rug Sep 2014 #22

I don't even see the hate, THIS is hate.... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #23

Actually it is. Read the statute and the intent requirement. rug Sep 2014 #26

I did, that law sounds like a bad law that should be overturned on constitutional grounds... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #27

It's not quite that simple. Words can cause significant harm. rug Sep 2014 #28

Of course words can cause sigificant harm, for example, I would say the Catechism... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #29

Lol, do you want to swap hate speech? rug Sep 2014 #30

You have yet to demonstrate any harm that would come about from this "hate speech"... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #31

It's not my burden to. rug Sep 2014 #33

Those are attacking groups of people, not an idea and not necessarily a sacred icon... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #35

And who do you think the target of the humper was? rug Sep 2014 #39

That's vandalism, not knowing the backstory, yes it could be because they didn't like angels. Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #44

It was on the lawn of a religious organization. rug Sep 2014 #48

Considering we are idly speculating as to his motives, sure why not? Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #63

A reasonable inference may be made on observations. rug Sep 2014 #72

The most we can say is that he is irreverent, that's it. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #76

Can you imagine had he done this to a statue of Mohammad? Good lord it would be louder then this. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #32

There was an atheist that dressed as Mohammed for a parade in Pennsylvania or a place like that... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #34

Well that was wrong yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #36

I just don't understand the mentality, apparently the sensibilities of the religious is more... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #37

I actually agree with your post yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #38

Who isn't allowed to pray at school or carry a bible? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #40

I heard that or read it somewhere yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #42

It's a popular meme spread by conservative christians and FOX news. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #45

I should not have fallen for it hook line and sinker. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #62

That's actually a myth, students are allowed to pray at public school, carry around Bibles... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #41

Thanks! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #43

You got a link to that? rug Sep 2014 #49

'fraid so. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #53

'fraid not. rug Sep 2014 #81

Many posters are blaming the victim in that thread. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #85

I read the thread. I don't need paraphrase. rug Sep 2014 #86

Apologies, rug. I edited to do just that. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #87

Apparently you didn't look at the link: Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #88

I doubt very seriously humblebum was a Poe Rob H. Sep 2014 #110

Defending those posts after denying they exist. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #113

There aren't any statues of Muhammad, okasha Sep 2014 #73

Does that mean that anyone who attempts to depict Muhammad for the purpose of sacrilege... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #78

Is there a law that defines sacrilrge as a crime? okasha Sep 2014 #104

Nuance. I'd like some. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #46

Which is the greater problem? rug Sep 2014 #47

Which what? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #50

Apply them carefully. rug Sep 2014 #51

The original federal hate crimes legislation okasha Sep 2014 #54

I do understand your point. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #55

I've worked with prosecutors in local government, okasha Sep 2014 #56

Apology and community service. I would disagree. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #57

I think "kicking his ass" okasha Sep 2014 #59

What is the necessary lesson? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #60

The necessary lesson that religion has a special place in society and people take second place? Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #71

How about humping lawn ornaments will get your ass kicked? rug Sep 2014 #83

... or two years in the hoosegow. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #91

Hoosegow. Why did that word vanish? rug Sep 2014 #93

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #92

"Bereft of Humanity"? rug Sep 2014 #94

I'm the type of humanist who advocates for equal rights without reservation... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #95

And do you alse deign to judge which humans are bereft of humanity and which are not. rug Sep 2014 #97

A rather simple lesson. okasha Sep 2014 #100

Okay. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #101

Sarah (Palin's, I assume) antics are self-punishing. okasha Sep 2014 #108

THIS IS NOT A HATE CRIME! Unless you have... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #115

The statute he's charged under IS a hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #116

what this kid did is not a crime DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #58

When an ugly plaster or metal or fiberglas statue can complain Warpy Sep 2014 #61

It seems to me that a lot of people here want to criminalize irreverence and atheism itself... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #70

Oh, brother. If that's what you get out of this, recalibrate your persecution meter. rug Sep 2014 #84

Right back at ya when you complain about your church being criticized! Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #89

How interesting. Where in this thread is defending homophobes discussed? rug Sep 2014 #96

I'm pointing out hypocrisy, its rather simple, you claim this teen committed a hate crime... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #98

No, you're not. You're diverting. Pathetically so. rug Sep 2014 #99

Now, that is a Grand Canyon-wide leap of illogic. okasha Sep 2014 #103

And your failure to get the point is, as ever, predictable. mr blur Sep 2014 #106

There is no point. okasha Sep 2014 #107

The so called "Hate Crime" charge in this instance is Orwellian. n/t 2banon Sep 2014 #102

Taking joy in a crucifixion phil89 Sep 2014 #105

Careful, bunch of people got all bent out of shape last time I copied/pasted references to joyful AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #120

Ugh. Iggo Sep 2014 #122