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Goblinmonger

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5. Plus add to that the sister claim

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:21 AM

Apr 2012

that once I invoke faith, my statements have to immediately have respect because they are faith. I can't prove it, but I demand respect for it. Moderates here do that all the time. Then they mock the conservative religious for their beliefs not realizing they have set the standard of faith=respect.

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How can religious moderates be said to enable hateful fundamentalists? [View all] trotsky Apr 2012 OP

I think "enabling" is not the best choice of words longship Apr 2012 #1

I think "enable" is a word that puts a special focus on the problem. trotsky Apr 2012 #3

You have a point, but... longship Apr 2012 #6

I don't see it as meaning "tacit approval." Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #7

Faith is an important issue here longship Apr 2012 #10

No, they definitely are not actively supporting them. trotsky Apr 2012 #8

My bad! longship Apr 2012 #11

About IRS concerns? Or...? n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #19

About why moderates might not be standing up against religion in politics longship Apr 2012 #26

Oh, on that I really can't be sure. trotsky Apr 2012 #27

Perhaps not, but they *are* actively funding them... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2012 #83

I believe that religious moderates can enable hateful fundamentalists, but rhett o rick Apr 2012 #2

You say: trotsky Apr 2012 #4

Plus add to that the sister claim Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #5

Very important point. trotsky Apr 2012 #9

How does having faith enable bad behavior? nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #14

It's not the act of having faith that enables bad behavior. trotsky Apr 2012 #17

Ermmm.. what? dmallind Apr 2012 #18

Faith can be used to justify bad behavior, I agree. But having faith rhett o rick Apr 2012 #66

I think we have a tail and dog issue here dmallind Apr 2012 #12

It's not just wrong, it's hate speech, and it's stupid. bananas Apr 2012 #13

Now, now, you're not supposed to call beliefs stupid. trotsky Apr 2012 #15

As I pointed out, you can replace "faith" with just about anything bananas Apr 2012 #29

You sure can. Just as you can substitute a pear for an apple in an apple pie. trotsky Apr 2012 #35

No, religious faith doesn't close that off. nt bananas Apr 2012 #37

OK, go convince Fred Phelps he's wrong. trotsky Apr 2012 #39

What piffle dmallind Apr 2012 #16

Wrong. bananas Apr 2012 #30

Modern eugenics, genetic engineering, and ethical re-evaluation bananas Apr 2012 #32

You either didn't read or didn't understand your own "rebuttal". It makes my point perfectly! dmallind Apr 2012 #34

Why do they believe genetic composition of a population can be improved? bananas Apr 2012 #41

........ eqfan592 Apr 2012 #45

Your coin came down on the wrong side I see. Bad luck. dmallind Apr 2012 #53

rofl - the concept of earth was around long before geography as a science. nt bananas Apr 2012 #59

Wow, really??? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #79

Thoroughgoing religious liberalism in no way enables fundamentalism. E_Pluribus_Unitarian Apr 2012 #20

Again, no one is equating the beliefs. trotsky Apr 2012 #23

This is a variation on the assertion in a recent thread that: LTX Apr 2012 #21

No one is saying that religious beliefs are identical. trotsky Apr 2012 #22

But faith is a valid justification for all beliefs, whether religious or not. LTX Apr 2012 #24

I don't think religious faith is a valid justification for any belief. trotsky Apr 2012 #25

Actually, yes. LTX Apr 2012 #31

Great post! Religion does indeed evolve, and believers evolve, too. kwassa Apr 2012 #33

and also use imaginary father figures as a symbol yes dmallind Apr 2012 #36

And I'll add that those made-up sources LTX Apr 2012 #42

That's a gigantic caveat you just tried to tack on innocuously at the end there! trotsky Apr 2012 #43

Not really. LTX Apr 2012 #49

Absolutely dmallind Apr 2012 #55

Of course, I never said they couldn't. So bully for the brilliant dispatch of that straw man. trotsky Apr 2012 #46

Actually, no. trotsky Apr 2012 #38

So give me your definition of faith. LTX Apr 2012 #44

Religious faith. trotsky Apr 2012 #47

It can be a justification for both. LTX Apr 2012 #52

There you go muddling the definitions again. trotsky Apr 2012 #56

Valid point, but taken too far I think dmallind Apr 2012 #57

I agree for the most part with your statement that: LTX Apr 2012 #68

I disagree with this also kwassa Apr 2012 #73

I think thete is a difference rrneck Apr 2012 #28

How you ask? Probably humblebum Apr 2012 #40

"Oh, do elaborate", he said as he put on his wading boots. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #48

What is there to elaborate on? I merely responded with humblebum Apr 2012 #50

Well, you could elaborate on your opinion. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #51

Ah, good. Knee boots are more comfortable. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #54

So given the fact that groups of freethinkers/skeptics/atheists and individuals gave their open humblebum Apr 2012 #58

Except we have this thing called the Constitution. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #60

I was not aware that the Constitution had any teeth outside of the Unites States, and humblebum Apr 2012 #61

I am talking about what we are doing here. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #63

You are just kinda throwing out all sorts of straw men humblebum Apr 2012 #64

"limited separation" Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #67

I would certainly question your grasp of American history and in particular humblebum Apr 2012 #70

In short, because you've never heard of organizations like LTX Apr 2012 #84

I've heard about Americans United. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #87

I see. You don't know the history of LTX Apr 2012 #88

pssst. There used to be and "O" in the acronym, too. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #89

Right. Which just proves LTX Apr 2012 #91

You are misunderstanding a lot of arguments in this thread Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #92

Oh, I haven't missed the point of thread. LTX Apr 2012 #93

Faith in Constitution... nt tama Apr 2012 #71

Whatever. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #72

Faith in word games tama Apr 2012 #75

Id didnt work rrneck Apr 2012 #62

Never said it did work. I said "attempted" eradication. nt humblebum Apr 2012 #65

Then don't worry about it. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #69

Christianity has been reforming for two thousand years and continues to reform Leontius Apr 2012 #74

The 1950s called. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #77

And 20s 30s 40s 60s 70s 80s and today. nt humblebum Apr 2012 #80

Making heavy use of helicopters painted in the color black, I'm sure. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #76

You called? onager Apr 2012 #78

And that is a vile and bigoted suggestion LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #82

OK, I think it is wrong and here's why. LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #81

I don't believe you understood what the point of the quote was. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #85

+1 nt mr blur Apr 2012 #94

But is isn't that simple when there's money involved Act_of_Reparation Apr 2012 #86

Not exactly. kwassa Apr 2012 #90