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ollie10

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5. Excellent point!

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Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:11 AM

Mar 2018

Straw Man fallacy is alive and well.....

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Must Atheists Trash Religion? [View all] newcriminal Mar 2018 OP

Here we go again Cartoonist Mar 2018 #1

I must have missed where he said "atheists should shut up". newcriminal Mar 2018 #2

Excellent point! ollie10 Mar 2018 #5

I'm happy to Cartoonist Mar 2018 #8

Then there's that same lie about what "tolerance" means. Mariana Mar 2018 #14

so if someone condemned atheists for having their opinions, that would not be intolerance? ollie10 Mar 2018 #20

Speaking of strawmen. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #27

Atheists are condemned all the time by religious leaders Mariana Mar 2018 #30

Sure, atheists are condemned by (some) religious leaders (not all) ollie10 Mar 2018 #32

We should respect Republicans' opinions, then? Mariana Mar 2018 #38

I think we should be respectful for everyone. Tribalism sucks. ollie10 Mar 2018 #41

Please don't change the subject. Mariana Mar 2018 #45

you asked whether republican's opinions should be respected and all religions? ollie10 Mar 2018 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #124

Who said anything about lies? ollie10 Mar 2018 #132

Flat-earth IS a lie. We should not respect it just because someone calls it religion. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #187

it wasn't a reference to IQ.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #192

I do not find resistance to lies depressing. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #193

You misinterpreted ollie10 Mar 2018 #195

That is not what you said in post #51. Mariana Mar 2018 #204

In #51 I said... ollie10 Mar 2018 #214

Opinions are not people. Mariana Mar 2018 #218

You have an interesting view of what dishonesty is ollie10 Mar 2018 #228

We can't communicate at all Mariana Mar 2018 #234

Let me try to make it as clear as I can ollie10 Mar 2018 #235

Respecting people's rights to their beliefs, opinions and ideas Mariana Mar 2018 #239

I agree with much of what you said ollie10 Mar 2018 #241

"Religious rights don't mean taking other people's rights away." trotsky Mar 2018 #310

I have made it clear that we should respect the rights of non-religious people AND ollie10 Mar 2018 #313

Listen up for the last fucking time. trotsky Mar 2018 #314

Wow you sure can SHOUT! ollie10 Mar 2018 #316

Back on ignore you go then. n/t trotsky Mar 2018 #317

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Mar 2018 #318

Trotsky clearly wants you to knock off the dishonesty. Mariana Mar 2018 #324

Coulda fooled me! ollie10 Mar 2018 #326

This needs to be posted on every "waah, why can't atheists respect my religion?" thread: trotsky Mar 2018 #309

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #388

Hey, Ollie, someone downthread is attacking the concept of atheism Mariana Mar 2018 #121

GASP!!!!Are you now telling me who I should respond to? Control freak much? ollie10 Mar 2018 #131

Ollie, Ollie, Ollie. Mariana Mar 2018 #206

My response to you is that I simply asked a question! ollie10 Mar 2018 #213

The answer to your questions is no. nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #247

Are those the only alternatives to "trash"? newcriminal Mar 2018 #61

No, you still missed it. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #63

we all want tolerance for "our side"....the other side? not so much ollie10 Mar 2018 #333

I'm happy to be tolerant... TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #126

How exactly would an atheist talk about religion ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #10

Hopefully, with intelligence, knowledge, and nuance. newcriminal Mar 2018 #64

Anything intelligent an atheist has to say about religion ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #74

If one thinks religion is nothing but hooey, there is no point in discussing it. Or even lingering. newcriminal Mar 2018 #82

Whoa ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #86

There is no evidence for belief in creator gods Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #92

There is certainly evidence of religious practice that is at least 70,000 years old. newcriminal Mar 2018 #97

Read what I wrote. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #176

Wait, you thik anything an atheist says on religion is "BY DEFINITION" "condemnation"? newcriminal Mar 2018 #100

It seems to me that nonbelief is certainly a predicate in all of our opinions on religion. ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #130

I relate it to Roman religions. newcriminal Mar 2018 #137

Several points ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #145

A side point: Given all you've said, why did you choose the Venus of Willenorf as your avatar? newcriminal Mar 2018 #146

It was more or less selected at random from a list of choices. ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #153

It's a really interesting artifact - and pertinent. newcriminal Mar 2018 #154

100,000 years? TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #172

I'm not a literalist. newcriminal Mar 2018 #207

That's interesting. Neither is guillaumeb, or so he says. MineralMan Mar 2018 #221

Neither is a large number of Christians ollie10 Mar 2018 #329

Why would it surprise me? MineralMan Mar 2018 #330

I see...if you are a literalist that isbad if you aren't, that is bad ollie10 Mar 2018 #331

I said nothing about good and bad. MineralMan Mar 2018 #332

I missed that part too. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #62

Aww! Poor religion! JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #3

Yes, isn't thin-skinned writing pathetic? newcriminal Mar 2018 #4

Ouch!! eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #65

Talk about a two way street /nt tonedevil Mar 2018 #112

Postulating over here now? sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #127

I go where... tonedevil Mar 2018 #259

😆 sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #261

so diatribes are bad and calling people cross dragging stinky pantload is not heading down bad path? ollie10 Mar 2018 #6

You might reread the post. Mariana Mar 2018 #12

Who is it then who drags crosses? Robots? ollie10 Mar 2018 #17

Ideas can certainly be described as cross-dragging. Mariana Mar 2018 #22

I have a better idea ollie10 Mar 2018 #25

So it's not "shut up" exactly, Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #29

I think you misunderstood my point.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #31

No, I got it. Atheists have been hearing if for a long time. Goes like this: Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #33

straw man....I didn't say that ollie10 Mar 2018 #34

You didn't say those exact words. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #36

I am sorry you misunderstood ollie10 Mar 2018 #37

Thank you. Here is where I think things normally go wrong. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #47

I think part of the problem is that people want others to agree with them ollie10 Mar 2018 #49

You are more charitable than I am. Mariana Mar 2018 #56

+1000000000000 atreides1 Mar 2018 #43

when/if I get at anything....please let me know! ollie10 Mar 2018 #44

Ah, so he didn't say those words but you don't like his "tone" and "approach". newcriminal Mar 2018 #66

Not under the guise of anything JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #42

We should not reject religion for its oddities. We should reject it for its flaws. DetlefK Mar 2018 #7

So you question whether people should be religious? ollie10 Mar 2018 #18

We humans entertain all sorts of follies. Religion is the only folly that's supposedly not a folly. DetlefK Mar 2018 #23

well, in a disrespectful way, you call religion a folly ollie10 Mar 2018 #28

How would you convince a non-religious child that religion is something of worth? DetlefK Mar 2018 #46

A respectful discussion may be productive.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #48

I have no problem with people who actually try to apply the teachings of Jesus Va Lefty Mar 2018 #9

I agree safeinOhio Mar 2018 #11

I feel that way too marylandblue Mar 2018 #13

Yeah well the teachings of Jesus are pretty Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #15

as well as the teachings of those who don't believe in religion.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #19

Well no that isnt always the case. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #59

but non-religious people range from Sagan to Trump..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #67

Sure, but again we have lots of good Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #91

To say the Bible is open to several different interpretations is one thing.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #94

Ok, lets taje some concrete examples of Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #95

Hold on a minute. Mariana Mar 2018 #96

No true Scotsman? /nt tonedevil Mar 2018 #114

Just a hunch.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #133

So what. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #138

Trump says he is religious.....OK, and what if I say I am Mr Universe? ollie10 Mar 2018 #141

I'm sure the NABBA keeps accurate records of who has been awarded the Mr. Universe title. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #142

Well if you are trying to convince me that Donald Trump is a very religious man.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #143

No one is saying Donald Trump is a candidate for sainthood. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #149

I have shown several biblical references that call his so-called faith in doubt ollie10 Mar 2018 #152

And around we go. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #155

When you can stop putting words in my mouth, we can continue ollie10 Mar 2018 #156

Or you could start making sense. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #157

No I have not made bigoted statements against non-religious people...Name ONE!!!! ollie10 Mar 2018 #162

Every post in this subthread. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #164

well to all those who behave like trump....my sympathies ollie10 Mar 2018 #166

And what of the non-religious who do not behave like Trump? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #167

I am not doing that ollie10 Mar 2018 #169

I know you *think* you're not doing that. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #170

No, I doubt if anyone here is even remotely similar to Trump ollie10 Mar 2018 #173

And I doubt anyone here is going to continue... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #198

I have no idea what you are saying ollie10 Mar 2018 #200

That's not unusual, if memory serves. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #205

I think you may have me mistaken for someone else! ollie10 Mar 2018 #215

I doubt it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #217

I love those one line insinutations! ollie10 Mar 2018 #223

I doubt that, too. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #224

If there is something specific you would want to say ollie10 Mar 2018 #226

people who behave like Trump cannot be religious. stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #182

There must be zero religious people on this earth, then. Mariana Mar 2018 #216

So you're Catholic? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #160

I have made the point that there are lots of denominations out there and interpretations of Bible ollie10 Mar 2018 #161

You were quoting from the bible to show that Trump wasn't religious Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #163

Religion is the furthest thing from Trump's mind ollie10 Mar 2018 #165

Problem is, one of those things you listed has an objective standard to meet. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #168

I am aware of that. But observing DonaldTrump I don't see anything about him that smacks ollie10 Mar 2018 #171

But many millions of people believe Trump is religious Mariana Mar 2018 #212

Millions more voted for him ollie10 Mar 2018 #220

Doesn't mean Trump isn't religious, either. nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #222

I have explained several reasons why I don't think Trump is particularly religious ollie10 Mar 2018 #225

Yes, you don't think he's religious. All these other people think he is. Mariana Mar 2018 #229

now look who is picking obscure Bible verses!!!! ollie10 Mar 2018 #232

That verse is hardly obscure. Mariana Mar 2018 #236

grace is a kinder word than disgusting ollie10 Mar 2018 #237

Grace is a gift from God, is it not? Mariana Mar 2018 #253

Don't believe in eternal torture ollie10 Mar 2018 #265

This sort of reminds nil desperandum Mar 2018 #79

The teachings of who/what? TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #174

You can pray or practice your religion in your home 24/7. SamKnause Mar 2018 #16

I don't have a problem with religion vercetti2021 Mar 2018 #21

So, a "good atheist" wrote a book saying that religion MineralMan Mar 2018 #24

Perfect response!! Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #39

Yep Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #52

+1000 WestMichRad Mar 2018 #53

Did you tolerate the Pledge of Allegiance in the military? newcriminal Mar 2018 #68

I learned the Pledge of Allegiance in grammar school, MineralMan Mar 2018 #80

Ae you hoping to ignore the oath you inconveniently took? newcriminal Mar 2018 #84

As I was told at my time of enlistment, "So help me God" is optional MineralMan Mar 2018 #85

seems sort of like somebody is cross examining Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #93

Have you experienced cross examination? newcriminal Mar 2018 #99

I have no idea. MineralMan Mar 2018 #116

Without evidence, I do question your 50 year old claim. newcriminal Mar 2018 #98

Who cares what you question? MineralMan Mar 2018 #115

You, apparently. newcriminal Mar 2018 #117

The "Under god" clause in the Pledge Of Allegiance TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #177

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #179

Ahhh memories... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #189

You are free to gullibly believe anything said on the internet. newcriminal Mar 2018 #210

No you are. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #243

A devastating reply. newcriminal Mar 2018 #244

Yet another self referential statement. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #246

Yet another ridiculous exchange. newcriminal Mar 2018 #249

And yet it was. A conundrum. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #250

No, it's yet another data point. newcriminal Mar 2018 #268

4. Thats a data point. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #289

It was the same in 1984, when I enlisted in the Navy. Mariana Mar 2018 #123

There has been dispute about such oaths. MineralMan Mar 2018 #144

In 1969 when I was drafted aka-chmeee Mar 2018 #202

That's true, but I did not hear anyone doing such a thing. MineralMan Mar 2018 #209

Nor did we, aka-chmeee Mar 2018 #340

Tolerance is an overused word marylandblue Mar 2018 #26

American society is very tolerant of religion, particularly Christianity. Thomas Hurt Mar 2018 #35

why would anyone want to swing a dead cat? ollie10 Mar 2018 #40

No one... tonedevil Mar 2018 #70

+ everything. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #50

Also government calendar accommodates Christians exboyfil Mar 2018 #102

Don't forget... TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #178

are flat earthers not worthy of condemnation? Brainstormy Mar 2018 #54

No, those beliefs and opinions should be respected. Mariana Mar 2018 #60

You want to condemn flat earthers? newcriminal Mar 2018 #69

I don't think condemnation... tonedevil Mar 2018 #71

Ridicule is a two way street. newcriminal Mar 2018 #76

True... tonedevil Mar 2018 #77

Wow, such violent imagery you introduce into the thread. Mariana Mar 2018 #105

I didn't introduce condemntion nor am I defending the one who did. newcriminal Mar 2018 #106

Condemnation, of course, has several definitions. Mariana Mar 2018 #110

I'll ask Gary Gilmore's coroner for the other definitions. newcriminal Mar 2018 #113

You could simply consult a dictionary Mariana Mar 2018 #122

Cherry-picking of definitions is a commonplace here. MineralMan Mar 2018 #238

Yes, it is incredibly dishonest. Mariana Mar 2018 #240

If you don't like religion...then don't pray! ollie10 Mar 2018 #73

Forcing others to listen to your prayer(s) TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #181

I have not advocated forcing others to listen to any prayers ollie10 Mar 2018 #184

Actually... TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #188

Yup ollie10 Mar 2018 #194

Should non-child abusers trash child abusers? Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #55

The reflexive use of 'brainwashing' when discussing religion is itself the product of 'brainwashing' newcriminal Mar 2018 #72

Nothing reflexive about it. I was "brainwashed" as a kid, so I know what I'm talking about. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #107

Indeed. I wasn't. newcriminal Mar 2018 #108

Or a more disconnected opinion. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #109

I'm sorry for that. But if religion was the cause of it your experience would be universal. newcriminal Mar 2018 #111

Not universal, but common enough. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #119

Everything said before "but" doesn't really count. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #139

Everything said after "139." is bullshit. newcriminal Mar 2018 #140

Seems to include include #140. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #147

Everything between "139." and "old." is bullshit. newcriminal Mar 2018 #148

No problem. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #150

Hogwash ollie10 Mar 2018 #75

Keep the out of my schools! Thunderbeast Mar 2018 #57

Most atheists are realists kurtcagle Mar 2018 #58

counter-productive ollie10 Mar 2018 #81

Some must. Most in my experience do not. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #78

Must the religious Faux pas Mar 2018 #83

I think the there needs to be a second question: Should Theists trash Atheists? OregonBlue Mar 2018 #87

Atheism is just another religion complete with proselytizers. Sneederbunk Mar 2018 #88

Atheists are the most hated group on earth askyagerz Mar 2018 #89

Not all religious folks believe in 100% of the bible.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #90

If God is infallible askyagerz Mar 2018 #101

Well, rhat is one theory ollie10 Mar 2018 #103

There are no theories in something that is infallible askyagerz Mar 2018 #104

How many denominations are there within Christianity? ollie10 Mar 2018 #136

Which denominations... tonedevil Mar 2018 #277

God is fallible it says so in the Bible ollie10 Mar 2018 #288

Wait... so hes a mass murderer then? nt PassingFair Mar 2018 #335

only if you take this in a literal interpretation ollie10 Mar 2018 #337

Great passage Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #336

obviously not omnipotent...that was my point ollie10 Mar 2018 #339

Contradictory verses marylandblue Mar 2018 #341

If you re ally think they are contradictory ollie10 Mar 2018 #342

You mean there is no contradiction between "God repented" and "God does not repent?" marylandblue Mar 2018 #343

You picked and chose.... and changed the words a bit HA! ollie10 Mar 2018 #345

I changed no words, those are the translations I found marylandblue Mar 2018 #348

But when you do it, it is acceptable....I see ollie10 Mar 2018 #349

When did I say that ? marylandblue Mar 2018 #350

According to the log 9:36 PM ollie10 Mar 2018 #351

I did no such thing marylandblue Mar 2018 #354

You quite clearly used the words "God does not repent?" ollie10 Mar 2018 #355

Sorry for the confusion, my use of quotation marks was meant to offset the phrases marylandblue Mar 2018 #357

uh-huh ollie10 Mar 2018 #358

If you'd rather play gotcha than address the actual point marylandblue Mar 2018 #361

If you had simply admitted a mistake we could have had an honest discussion ollie10 Mar 2018 #363

I admitted my mistake and gave you an exact account of how I made it marylandblue Mar 2018 #364

Paraphrasing is not a mistake. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #367

it was not a paraphase...it was a direct quote with quotation marks ollie10 Mar 2018 #368

You mispelled "you" and forgot to punctuate your last sentence. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #369

are you serious? ollie10 Mar 2018 #370

You mispelled "you" again and punctuated nothing. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #371

I guess irony is lost on your literalist mind ollie10 Mar 2018 #372

Yes, "irony is lost on my literalist mind". Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #375

you have some ten cent words!!! good for yu ollie10 Mar 2018 #380

I certainly do. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #381

"Who is rug?" NeoGreen Mar 2018 #377

not relevant. never heard of him/her ollie10 Mar 2018 #379

It is the answer to your question... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #383

I asked a question, the answer I didn't and still don't know the answer to ollie10 Mar 2018 #384

Your response to my reply makes no sense... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #385

You sound very off base ollie10 Mar 2018 #386

Replying to your posts on a message board is "harassing you"? Mariana Mar 2018 #387

it' just so much fun being here ollie10 Mar 2018 #389

What am I missing? NeoGreen Mar 2018 #390

I'm not entirely convinced that Ollie isn't a Poe Mariana Mar 2018 #393

Ahhh... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #394

You're welcome. Mariana Mar 2018 #395

Plus... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #396

I'm sure lots of people have noticed. Mariana Mar 2018 #397

I am not anti-religious marylandblue Mar 2018 #373

You cannot honestly argue that somebody Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #352

So are you going to cfriticize the cherry picking of the other side? ollie10 Mar 2018 #353

Im not the one engaged in a dishonest Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #360

When someone who is not anti-religious quotes the Bible, it is by your definition cherry picking ollie10 Mar 2018 #362

Again you rejected another posters Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #365

the other poster MISQUOTED the passage ollie10 Mar 2018 #366

Isn't it fascinating Mariana Mar 2018 #374

Your post is meme worthy... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #376

That is 5 kinds of awesome! N.t Fix The Stupid Mar 2018 #378

I'll say it...dishonesty and stupidity. Dangerous combo. n/t Fix The Stupid Mar 2018 #382

Circular thinking: A book that says the writer is right because it says it in the book he wrote..... lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #398

and of course you will do the same ollie10 Mar 2018 #402

And to what one book of lindysalsagal's... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #403

is she an author? you don't say ollie10 Mar 2018 #406

and for the record... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #424

oh, thanks for sharing ollie10 Mar 2018 #427

Not superior, but far less gullible. lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #404

Of course you feel superior ollie10 Mar 2018 #405

That is a lot of hate... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #407

Do you love it when people feel superior? ollie10 Mar 2018 #408

I don't generally care one whit about other people's feelings of... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #409

How about your feelings of self superiority? I am curious ollie10 Mar 2018 #411

I don't feel superior... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #414

I love people who are humble as Moses and loving as Joshua marylandblue Mar 2018 #410

So you now read the bible? ollie10 Mar 2018 #412

I only made it to chapter 6 marylandblue Mar 2018 #413

So that makes you an expert!!!! ollie10 Mar 2018 #420

Like NeoGreen, I don't much care if other people feel superior. Mariana Mar 2018 #415

I have made it a point over and over ollie10 Mar 2018 #417

Maybe she feels like her beliefs aren't being respected? marylandblue Mar 2018 #423

Bad ideas don't deserve respect... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #428

calling them bad makes it ok to be disrespectful? ollie10 Mar 2018 #429

So... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #432

You are the one who has more in common with the Taliban ollie10 Mar 2018 #433

Wow..so much to disect in one post... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #436

Have a nice day ollie10 Mar 2018 #437

I provided direct quotes... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #441

You aren't being honest with me or yourself ollie10 Mar 2018 #443

Wow... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #446

Are you saying you do think there is a point in continuing? ollie10 Mar 2018 #447

No... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #450

Well, then do you want to stop trying to convert me to atheism orthodoxy? ollie10 Mar 2018 #454

No... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #458

of course! those ideas you agree with are not bad! ollie10 Mar 2018 #459

Your condescension is noted... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #461

calling all religions on the face of the earth "bad" is not condescension? ollie10 Mar 2018 #465

I'm not calling every religion as bad... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #472

well, you are starting to come around ollie10 Mar 2018 #474

Equal rights for minorities isn't a religious idea Mariana Mar 2018 #475

So you get to define what is a religious idea? ollie10 Mar 2018 #477

No. But Jesus does. Mariana Mar 2018 #479

tell that to the Rev Martin Luther King Jr ollie10 Mar 2018 #482

I would never invade a church like that. Mariana Mar 2018 #524

You should express yourself more clearly, then. Mariana Mar 2018 #469

I have expressed myself quite clearly ollie10 Mar 2018 #471

Just to clarify ollie10 Mar 2018 #419

Let me get this straight... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #422

Is hating spinach hating anyone? ollie10 Mar 2018 #426

Sorry... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #430

When you call other people's ideas "bad" you are implying that yours are superior.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #431

So, you believe there are no bad ideas?... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #434

you haven't been listening very well ollie10 Mar 2018 #435

Yes I have been listening... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #439

Are capable of not calling other ideas "bad"? ollie10 Mar 2018 #442

Are you able to identify any idea as bad? NeoGreen Mar 2018 #444

Being disrespectful towards religion OR to atheism is bad ollie10 Mar 2018 #445

Ok... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #449

again you misrepresent ollie10 Mar 2018 #453

Yes you have... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #460

Go back over this thread ollie10 Mar 2018 #463

Ollie agrees that some ideas are bad, elsewhere in this thread. Mariana Mar 2018 #476

What does your hate accomplish? marylandblue Mar 2018 #416

Just to clarify ollie10 Mar 2018 #418

Ok, but what does that feeling of hate do for you? marylandblue Mar 2018 #421

So you don't think I should hate it when people attack atheists? ollie10 Mar 2018 #425

What is the purpose of hate? marylandblue Mar 2018 #438

so you don't see a purpose of hating racism, bigotry, disrespect, misogyny, homophobia? ollie10 Mar 2018 #440

I am asking you about your thoughts about the matter marylandblue Mar 2018 #448

I opposee racism, bigotry, disrespect, misogyny, homophobia ollie10 Mar 2018 #451

I oppose them as well, but what is the hate for? marylandblue Mar 2018 #452

it's a manner of speech and you know it ollie10 Mar 2018 #455

Why do you assume such a thing? marylandblue Mar 2018 #456

why do you object to me saying I hate racism and disrespect? ollie10 Mar 2018 #457

I am opposed to it, and I act in ways to prevent or reduce it marylandblue Mar 2018 #462

so, you oppose racism but you don't hate it ollie10 Mar 2018 #464

Is hate necessary? marylandblue Mar 2018 #466

if someone killed my wife I would hate it ollie10 Mar 2018 #467

You don't know my SO, she would understand what I mean marylandblue Mar 2018 #468

Then go ahead and show it to your SO ollie10 Mar 2018 #470

She laughed, like I knew she would marylandblue Mar 2018 #473

See, criticizing religion is just like killing someone's spouse. Mariana Mar 2018 #481

And asking your good-humored wife marylandblue Mar 2018 #483

there you go again. misrepresenting what I said. ollie10 Mar 2018 #511

Why should we believe you hate it? Mariana Mar 2018 #478

I have made my opinions clear. ollie10 Mar 2018 #480

Atheism frequently gets attacked marylandblue Mar 2018 #484

I don't attack atheists ollie10 Mar 2018 #486

I think some atheists on this board feel you are attacking them marylandblue Mar 2018 #488

I know...why don't you provide a quote where I actually have attacked atheism per se..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #489

Maybe you should ask people who feel attacked marylandblue Mar 2018 #490

so you can't provide a quote.....obvious ollie10 Mar 2018 #493

I said they felt you were attacking them marylandblue Mar 2018 #494

Again, if I indeed ever said anything actually attacking atheism per se I would want to see it ollie10 Mar 2018 #495

You do not feel attacked? marylandblue Mar 2018 #496

This is the Third request: where is the quote? ollie10 Mar 2018 #497

I am asking how you personally feel marylandblue Mar 2018 #498

Do you care about my feelings? ollie10 Mar 2018 #499

Yes I do care about your feelings marylandblue Mar 2018 #502

No I don't believe you care much ollie10 Mar 2018 #503

You seem quite embittered marylandblue Mar 2018 #504

bored beyond belief, more like it ollie10 Mar 2018 #506

Why is this boring? marylandblue Mar 2018 #507

I am here for dialogue ollie10 Mar 2018 #509

I am not sure why you think this is a word game marylandblue Mar 2018 #513

If you have something to say about the issues at hand, please go at it ollie10 Mar 2018 #514

I am not a New Atheist marylandblue Mar 2018 #515

New Atheism.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #516

I don't understand the point of your post. marylandblue Mar 2018 #517

It was a long post with several ideas ollie10 Mar 2018 #518

What is the point of your discussion of rationalism? marylandblue Mar 2018 #519

There were several points about this. ollie10 Mar 2018 #520

Why did you bring it up? marylandblue Mar 2018 #521

I brought it up in response to your post ollie10 Mar 2018 #522

Well that makes sense marylandblue Mar 2018 #525

And yet, here you are. Mariana Mar 2018 #510

so anwering someone's direct question is insisting on the last word? ollie10 Mar 2018 #512

I like you just fine, Ollie. Mariana Mar 2018 #523

Atheists don't have a Lord and Saviour Mariana Mar 2018 #491

well, not all religious people are christians either ollie10 Mar 2018 #492

You didn't claim to be speaking for all of them. Mariana Mar 2018 #505

wow playing word games again.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #508

And the pronouncements from the privileged continue... Mariana Mar 2018 #485

hey, mariana, nobody is privileged over here ollie10 Mar 2018 #487

"nobody is privileged over here" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #500

there you go again. I would request that we discontinue our little conversation ollie10 Mar 2018 #501

Do not confuse the subject with the biographer. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #118

The only thing we know of the subject askyagerz Mar 2018 #125

I don't know where you are coming from..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #135

No when something is holding back progress askyagerz Mar 2018 #158

So I am supposed to respect you, but you insist on saying all religious people live in a bubble? ollie10 Mar 2018 #159

I could care less if you respect me or not askyagerz Mar 2018 #175

Play the victim why don't you? ollie10 Mar 2018 #180

Yes I am the victim askyagerz Mar 2018 #186

I am sorry to hear of your persecution ollie10 Mar 2018 #191

Askyagerz has actually been rather fortunate. Mariana Mar 2018 #257

That is disgusting. ollie10 Mar 2018 #266

Absolutely. I did not start slinging the mud askyagerz Mar 2018 #280

I grew up in a town of 1600 with about 20 churches askyagerz Mar 2018 #278

While I sympathize with your experiences.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #287

So, askyagerz should shut up Mariana Mar 2018 #291

Not saying to shut up....saying to speak wisely and not shoot yourself in the foot ollie10 Mar 2018 #293

No one here has attacked the freedoms of others. Mariana Mar 2018 #296

You can believe anything you want to about what I said ollie10 Mar 2018 #298

You know what else Trump and troll farms will cheer? trotsky Mar 2018 #301

You are entitled to misinterpret what I have said.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #303

That's the problem, though. You aren't actually *saying* anything. trotsky Mar 2018 #304

Nobody is telling you to shut up ollie10 Mar 2018 #305

Sure thing J trotsky Mar 2018 #307

Enjoy yourself ollie10 Mar 2018 #312

Those people seem to be Mariana Mar 2018 #120

you apparently are not very knowledgeable of Christianity ollie10 Mar 2018 #134

Which of the thousands of flavors of Christianity Mariana Mar 2018 #211

You said "seem to be pretty much making it up as they go along" ollie10 Mar 2018 #219

I never said ALL of them make it up as they go along. Mariana Mar 2018 #227

It is not up to you or up to me to decide what parts of the Bible are important ollie10 Mar 2018 #230

But that's the problem askyagerz Mar 2018 #308

So if you agree with religion "a little" you are enabling the extremists? ollie10 Mar 2018 #315

It is apparent that you already know all you want to know about Christianity! ollie10 Mar 2018 #346

Jesus probably didn't want his follower to believe what they wanted to marylandblue Mar 2018 #344

Fords? TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #183

LOL ollie10 Mar 2018 #185

is faith REALLY that delicate? Skittles Mar 2018 #128

Yeah....so delicate.....just call them snowflakes and call it a day! ollie10 Mar 2018 #347

thereby proving my point Skittles Mar 2018 #356

how? ollie10 Mar 2018 #359

I can understand faith, but what is the point of organized religion? Atheists don't Doodley Mar 2018 #129

im atheist and i dont trash anyones religion unless it samnsara Mar 2018 #151

Must religion tell me and my kid we will burn in hell for not believing their religion? SunSeeker Mar 2018 #190

the good ole "two wrongs make it right" fallacy ollie10 Mar 2018 #196

The good ole false equivalence fallacy. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #197

When you use someone else's disrespect for your views.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #199

Pushing back against vicious lies with the truth is not "hypocrisy." nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #231

So when someone disrespects you it is "vicious lies"..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #233

No part of "you will burn in Hell" is speaking the "truth." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #242

They don't just say you WILL burn in hell for eternity. Mariana Mar 2018 #208

Atheism is a religion too relayerbob Mar 2018 #201

Belief in what system exactly? tonedevil Mar 2018 #245

This should be fun Mariana Mar 2018 #248

Nah ... relayerbob Mar 2018 #254

Is disbelief in Odin likewise a religion? Of course not. malchickiwick Mar 2018 #256

"Atheism" is generally more than disbelief in my experience relayerbob Mar 2018 #258

I believe you may be confusing activism with religion... malchickiwick Mar 2018 #260

I'd be satisfied with removing religion from government. Mariana Mar 2018 #276

Also: So if one says "I know for certain there is no Easter Beagle" that makes her an extremist?? malchickiwick Mar 2018 #262

We discuss religion because it has a profound effect on our lives. Mariana Mar 2018 #263

Why would one choose... tonedevil Mar 2018 #264

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. malchickiwick Mar 2018 #251

Or like off is a tv channel. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #252

Untrue: There is endless evidence of no god, and zero evidence of god. lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #399

Somebody has to do it! aka-chmeee Mar 2018 #203

Here's what Jesus had to say about it. Mariana Mar 2018 #255

Proverbs 12:16 newcriminal Mar 2018 #267

That ain't jesus (nt) NeoGreen Mar 2018 #270

No shit. newcriminal Mar 2018 #271

Then my job here is done... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #273

You really do believe that is your purpose. newcriminal Mar 2018 #274

You should have posted an image of... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #275

Would clearly have been better than a Sean Connery gif. newcriminal Mar 2018 #279

Just can't make the closer... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #281

I'm curious to see how stupid this can get. newcriminal Mar 2018 #282

Wow... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #284

You're closing in on your brackets. newcriminal Mar 2018 #286

And your slip is showing... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #290

Kick...why won't the admins take out the trash? Double standards I guess... n/t Fix The Stupid Mar 2018 #294

WOW!! trotsky Mar 2018 #297

Thanks... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #299

Why are you copying and pasting from a thread in a protected group? MineralMan Mar 2018 #292

All groups are transparent and subect to copying and pasting. newcriminal Mar 2018 #319

Groups aren't the only things that are transparent Heddi Mar 2018 #320

That is not an answer to my question. MineralMan Mar 2018 #321

That is the only one you'll get. newcriminal Mar 2018 #322

Of that I have no doubt. MineralMan Mar 2018 #323

A precise mirror of my eaction when I see you've replied. newcriminal Mar 2018 #325

Have you changed your tune... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #328

LOL, well there's a post that didn't age so well. trotsky Mar 2018 #334

I actually met Todd May some thirty years ago, back when he was still a student, struggle4progress Mar 2018 #269

"Religion is the systematic, practical attempt to align oneself with the transcendent" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #272

Someone recently described the political systems Mariana Mar 2018 #302

Similar, but not the same Major Nikon Mar 2018 #306

Is pointing out the many flaws and terrible legacies of religions trashing them? Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #283

Absolutely Major Nikon Mar 2018 #300

Well played Major Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #311

Must Religions Trash Atheists? rurallib Mar 2018 #285

Apparently, some must. MineralMan Mar 2018 #295

Yup. It's the whole point, actually. lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #400

Sure. MineralMan Mar 2018 #401

I will say 1 thing and then I am out and blocking all religion discussions trixie2 Mar 2018 #327

And I'll say just one thing to you. trotsky Mar 2018 #338

My god is better than your god.........that is the fight of religion Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #391

The poster you are replying to can no longer post here. MineralMan Mar 2018 #392