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marylandblue

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8. Intangible, unmeasurable and uncertain are not the same things

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:25 PM

Apr 2018

Love is intangible but can be certain. Quantum mechanics is intangible and measurable, but the measurements limit certainty. The closing price of the stock market tomorrow is uncertain today but measureable tomorrow.

Believers like the certainty of knowing that tomorrow's stock market is in God's hands. Unbelievers accept that the outcome is uncertain.

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Religion is inconvenient for those who demand certainty. [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2018 OP

"Some prefer concrete things, rejecting everything that they cannot measure, or weigh, or photograph trotsky Apr 2018 #1

I've never met anyone like that. MineralMan Apr 2018 #2

The only people I know who demand certainty are religious marylandblue Apr 2018 #3

A very good point. MineralMan Apr 2018 #5

BRILLIANT response! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #76

Exactly! And that is the only certainty they have -- their beliefs .... KPN Apr 2018 #80

LIFE is inconvenient for those who demand certainty, guill!!! elleng Apr 2018 #4

True. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #11

I believe only in tangible things whose existence is directly observable. Girard442 Apr 2018 #6

you make a good point... light Worker Apr 2018 #52

Thing is... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #53

I get your point... light Worker Apr 2018 #94

Yes, but there is observable evidence of those things, even it we can't study MineralMan Apr 2018 #95

Isn't theory exactly that? - theory? light Worker Apr 2018 #98

Like the Theory of Gravity... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #99

Generally, I agree. light Worker Apr 2018 #100

and strings! marble falls Apr 2018 #62

Hey, GB, I really like how they are saying they believe in all manner of intagible faith things now. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #7

Intangible, unmeasurable and uncertain are not the same things marylandblue Apr 2018 #8

What is love? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #9

Love is a self-defined emotion. MineralMan Apr 2018 #12

Faith and belief are similarly defined. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #16

Yes, and so? MineralMan Apr 2018 #21

Love is a feeling not a concept marylandblue Apr 2018 #14

Faith and belief are also concepts. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #17

Faith and belief certainly exist marylandblue Apr 2018 #18

Very well put. thewhollytoast Apr 2018 #51

But if ones uses the word "accept" that avoids the word "belief". guillaumeb Apr 2018 #10

Hubris, eh? MineralMan Apr 2018 #13

Read a bit about it. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #15

There are techniques for finding your own failings marylandblue Apr 2018 #20

That assumes good faith on the part of the responders. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #23

No, good faith is not assumed marylandblue Apr 2018 #25

That assumes that the enemies are both observant and sincere. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #27

For someone who says "I understand" a lot marylandblue Apr 2018 #30

There is criticism and there is reflexive attack. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #32

Personal Judgement May Not Be Accurate MineralMan Apr 2018 #41

Feel free to discuss hubris, or the Giraudoux quote if you prefer. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #44

I always feel free to discuss anything I wish to discuss. MineralMan Apr 2018 #45

And ignore what you choose to ignore? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #46

Yes, of course. Free will. MineralMan Apr 2018 #47

Seems someone or group is hell bent on making YOU believe what they believe. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #77

That trick never works, though. MineralMan Apr 2018 #79

Feeling especially aggreived today, are we, Gil? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #19

Never. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22

I admire your sense of humor. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #78

religion is made up stuff. the greeks called that delusional. nt msongs Apr 2018 #24

Oh yay! Even more incomprehensible pseudo-intellectual gibberish! DetlefK Apr 2018 #26

I am suitably devastated. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #28

It is believers like you who give believers a bad name. DetlefK Apr 2018 #37

Religion is absolutely worthy of discussion. Mariana Apr 2018 #42

Hello moderate Atheist, sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #49

Please don't underrate yourself. You are awesome. Mariana Apr 2018 #82

Well now, that's the second vote of confidence I 've been granted sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #83

Oh, I absolutely think you're off the beam a tad. Mariana Apr 2018 #86

Pretty please, or more emphatically: sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #88

You demonstrate a poor understanding of what the Greeks meant Major Nikon Apr 2018 #29

Demonstrate your own. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #33

For one thing the word referred to humiliation of the gods Major Nikon Apr 2018 #48

From Google guillaumeb Apr 2018 #56

From your own words... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #57

How simplistic! MineralMan Apr 2018 #59

Thank you for the lecture. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #63

Not a lecture. Links to information MineralMan Apr 2018 #64

For some reason the Giraudoux quote comes to mind. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #65

I think the most hubris is observed Eko Apr 2018 #31

But if they say that they have faith, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #34

I dont see how it isnt. Eko Apr 2018 #35

We will disagree. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #43

No, it still is. trotsky Apr 2018 #40

The people that built the titanic had faith that it couldnt sink. Eko Apr 2018 #36

actually that is untrue... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #38

This sounds like a job for... Strawman! uriel1972 Apr 2018 #39

Lots of fanatical religious people don't think so Major Nikon Apr 2018 #50

Religion is never inconvient for those you describe. They simply ignore it. What is inconvinient wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #54

Sure is hard being religious in America, isn't it? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #55

Life was much easier when you had heretic BBQs in the town square every weekend Major Nikon Apr 2018 #58

Now those pesky blasphemers think they can have opinions and type them on the internet. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #61

How did you know that? sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #84

Not by being religious wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #68

I accept that they believe differently. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #66

I believe you are wrong Major Nikon Apr 2018 #67

Non Sequitur. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #60

A DU counterargument to Guil Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #69

This is Gil's flattery thread Lordquinton Apr 2018 #72

That thread was posted first. MineralMan Apr 2018 #73

Guil pretends to defend openness in religion, as a major point Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #74

Why this whole thing is so funny is a real christian, and there are only a few really Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #81

You have it BACKWARDS. Uncertainty is foundational to science and technology. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #70

You sure are flattering MM with this thread Lordquinton Apr 2018 #71

So when I read MM's and others imitations of my threads? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #75

Heh-heh. 😉 sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #85

And they love when the imitation is noticed. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #87

It's a human condition within humanity. Imitation sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #89

D'accord. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #90

Butter Pea-can. Ou Butter Pah-cahn. Ou Butter P'can. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #91

This post gave me whiplash Lordquinton Apr 2018 #92

Yes. And it gets pretty Freudian in the end too. Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #93

Dragged kicking and screaming into the 19th century Lordquinton Apr 2018 #96

File a claim for an internet forum related injury. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #97