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marylandblue

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53. "Belief" and "opinion" are not always synonymous.

Tue May 8, 2018, 12:59 AM

May 2018

Do you believe the earth is round, or is that just your opinion? I assume you believe it to be true, and don't think it is a matter of opinion. I don't think it is a matter of opinion either. So stop saying "facts and such don't matter." Neither you nor I think that.

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What is a belief system? [View all] marylandblue May 2018 OP

It is often used, especially in this forum, guillaumeb May 2018 #1

Can you define belief system without using the words belief or system in the definition marylandblue May 2018 #5

Here. Eko May 2018 #7

That's pretty good, but what if I don't have a religion, philosophy or moral code marylandblue May 2018 #9

Hopefully you have a moral code. Eko May 2018 #10

I don't have a code, I have moral intuitions marylandblue May 2018 #11

So you have Eko May 2018 #12

Yes, but they aren't codified, so aren't really beliefs marylandblue May 2018 #14

I dont see how that differs from a moral code at all. Eko May 2018 #16

I don't think it's wrong to kill or go to war marylandblue May 2018 #18

Well there is your moral code. Eko May 2018 #22

Like I said, that's an intuition, not a code. marylandblue May 2018 #25

Whatever you say. Eko May 2018 #30

Informal versus formal. guillaumeb May 2018 #71

I don't know, right now I think MM in #59 is right marylandblue May 2018 #73

But if you have beliefs, guillaumeb May 2018 #80

Yes, but the whole thing is such a broad conception so as to be worthless marylandblue May 2018 #84

It is not worthless because it governs your behavior. guillaumeb May 2018 #85

Worthless as a concept related to religion discussions, not worthless in general marylandblue May 2018 #88

I liked your analogy of using the same language. guillaumeb May 2018 #89

Here is another. Eko May 2018 #8

Thanks, interesting article marylandblue May 2018 #13

No, Eko May 2018 #15

I read the paper, why isn't science a belief system? marylandblue May 2018 #17

Sigh. Eko May 2018 #20

I don't see anywhere where it excludes it marylandblue May 2018 #24

Right off the bat it does, I even put it in bold. Eko May 2018 #26

That definition still doesn't exclude science marylandblue May 2018 #32

Uh, yes it does. Eko May 2018 #34

That is true among people who accept science marylandblue May 2018 #37

They dont interpret it differently, Eko May 2018 #39

We are defining science differently marylandblue May 2018 #41

Talking with you is going nowhere. Eko May 2018 #42

I didn't say their beliefs were just as valid marylandblue May 2018 #43

And that science is a belief. Eko May 2018 #45

Like I said, we are defining science differently marylandblue May 2018 #47

So, what is science? Eko May 2018 #50

I gave you my definition of science in #41 marylandblue May 2018 #54

And I didnt say you said they were just as valid. Eko May 2018 #46

I am not giving credence to anything marylandblue May 2018 #48

Wrong beliefs? Eko May 2018 #49

"Belief" and "opinion" are not always synonymous. marylandblue May 2018 #53

Science and religion are in two totally different realms of thought. Tobin S. May 2018 #56

But not really. trotsky May 2018 #60

Creation stories aren't meant to be taken literally. Tobin S. May 2018 #62

"Creation stories aren't meant to be taken literally." trotsky May 2018 #64

I can just report to you what happened. Tobin S. May 2018 #91

Actually, there is a way. trotsky May 2018 #94

Oh, they weren't? Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #66

Trotsky just said 42% of Americans are creationists Tobin S. May 2018 #92

I don't see that as particularly damaging to my argument. Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #93

I dont believe the earth is round. Eko May 2018 #68

See the definition of belief marylandblue May 2018 #72

Here is the oxford. Eko May 2018 #74

"something one accepts as true" marylandblue May 2018 #76

I think you missed the rest of that. Eko May 2018 #77

Cambridge. Eko May 2018 #75

I'm not sure why you are just multiplying dictionary definition marylandblue May 2018 #79

I must have posted the wrong one. Eko May 2018 #81

You know what are some other synonyms for belief are? Eko May 2018 #83

Neil deGrasse Tyson Eko May 2018 #78

And it is easily provable. Eko May 2018 #70

In the simplest sense it's a mental construct that defines the world around you. Major Nikon May 2018 #23

What is the difference between a mental construct that defines the world marylandblue May 2018 #27

One is a house, the other is a hammer Major Nikon May 2018 #31

That analogy doesn't explain anything marylandblue May 2018 #38

A belief system is also tool Major Nikon May 2018 #44

False metaphor Buzz cook May 2018 #52

Religion is totally a belief system. Eko May 2018 #28

Individual religions typically include a belief system Major Nikon May 2018 #33

definition. Eko May 2018 #36

Religion is far more encompassing Major Nikon May 2018 #40

It is a term used here repeatedly in equivocation Voltaire2 May 2018 #2

Much straw evident here. guillaumeb May 2018 #3

So are you now conceding that atheism isn't a belief system? Major Nikon May 2018 #29

Do you believe that its premise is true? guillaumeb May 2018 #69

I have a dodge, not an answer. So let's not pretend otherwise. Major Nikon May 2018 #86

Your title explains it all. guillaumeb May 2018 #87

And here I thought your dictionary skills had granted you literacy Major Nikon May 2018 #90

See that's the most important point. trotsky May 2018 #61

There are many different types of belief systems, Eko May 2018 #4

I dunno. Sounds science-ey. Iggo May 2018 #6

I believe in science dhol82 May 2018 #19

philosophy, ethics, speculation and Middle Earth marylandblue May 2018 #21

Science encompasses them all. Except for middle earth.... dhol82 May 2018 #35

Some philosophers would argue philosophy encompasses science rather than the other way around Major Nikon May 2018 #51

What is a belief? Buzz cook May 2018 #55

"Belief" in a religious context means something different Major Nikon May 2018 #58

Still belief, just not for a very good reason. Buzz cook May 2018 #63

One of those things has a foundation in evidence and reason Major Nikon May 2018 #65

It's confusing because apologists have made it a keystone in some of their worst argumentation. Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #57

It means whatever a person thinks it means at the time. MineralMan May 2018 #59

That's probably the most accurate definition here. marylandblue May 2018 #67

My apologies. guillaumeb May 2018 #82

Thanks, but I don't like how this discussion went marylandblue May 2018 #95

How would you do so? guillaumeb May 2018 #96

I thought I'd get a better idea of what makes something a true belief system marylandblue May 2018 #97

And if we ask 100 people why they call themselves a Democrat, guillaumeb May 2018 #98

Actually that question was asked a few months ago in General Discussion marylandblue May 2018 #99

If it allows you to make sense of the world, call it what you wish. guillaumeb May 2018 #100

My assertion isn't just about a name marylandblue May 2018 #101