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Voltaire2

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Tue Jul 17, 2018, 06:51 AM Jul 2018

Science and Philosophy Offer More for Grief than Religion [View all]

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Bereavement is horrible, but religion is false comfort.


In a recent New York Times column, Stephen T. Asma claims that religion can help people to deal with grief much better than science can. His case for religion over science has four flaws. It depends on a view of how emotion works in the brain that has been rendered obsolete by advances in neuroscience. It underestimates how much science can help to understand the nature of grief and to point to ways of overcoming it. It overestimates the consoling power of religion. Finally, it neglects how science can collaborate with philosophy to suggest ways of dealing with grief.

Asma tells the heartbreaking story of the murder of a teenager and its devastating effect on his mother, brother, and sister. I know how overwhelming grief can be, having lost two parents and a beloved wife who died young of cancer. But Asma’s reasons for looking to religion as consolation are not convincing.

He claims that science can only reach the recently evolved rational part of the brain, the neocortex, whereas religion can access the older emotional part of the brain, the limbic system. This view of the brain as sharply divided between cognitive and emotional systems has been overthrown by decades of research. Brain scanning and other methods find enormous integration between the prefrontal cortex and parts of the limbic system such as the amygdala. Luiz Pessoa’s book,The Cognitive-Emotional Brain, thoroughly reviews the effects of the amygdala and other parts of the limbic system on many kinds of perception, cognition, and motivation. These cortical functions also affect the amygdala, so science with its evidence-based approach to theory and rationality can influence emotions by helping people to evaluate the situations that generate emotions. Understanding grief can help people to recover from it.

There is good scientific research on grief that can help people understand its process and prospects. For example, Ruth Davis Konigsberg's The Truth about Grief cites studies that most people substantially recover from the horrors of grief within about 18 months. For those who have greater difficulty, there are psychotherapists who are skilled at helping people deal with underlying emotional problems. There is no scientific backing for the famous five-stage model of grief based on denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Coping by repressing emotions is sometimes effective. So science can suggest ways of dealing with grief without buying into the metaphysics of religion.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hot-thought/201807/science-and-philosophy-offer-more-grief-religion
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"God wanted it this way" Wwcd Jul 2018 #1
"Believe in God because it makes you feel better" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #2
What about all the research edhopper Jul 2018 #3
For reference, a link to - what I assume is - the cited Asma's column. Jim__ Jul 2018 #4
This atheist agrees BUT... Duppers Jul 2018 #5
It was this specific claim that was nonsense: Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #8
That specific claim is not from Asma's column. Jim__ Jul 2018 #10
Sure it is. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #11
From the original claim: He claims that science can only reach the recently evolved rational ... Jim__ Jul 2018 #13
Narrow definitions aside, it would depend on the individual and what "religion". gtar100 Jul 2018 #6
"But it's far from fact that materialism is the be-all, end-all basis of reality" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #7
Just curious what mechanism the non material Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #9
Something separate from material? Goodness, I don't know! gtar100 Jul 2018 #12
Oh ok, so you are a philosophical idealist. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #14
A box with a label. Thank you! gtar100 Jul 2018 #15
If it walks like a duck... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #16
You prefer being rude and condescending. I get it. gtar100 Jul 2018 #18
I don't think you do, actually. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #19
If we accept that there is an observable material Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #17
Monty Python also offers more than religion in times of grief. Pope George Ringo II Jul 2018 #20
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