So WHAT is the big deal if Jesus were married?

[mntleo2]

15. Oh I was there in the beginning in my city ...

...and yes it is about equality, but the "argument" for feminism was originally about the "more humane" way women would be in governing and business. They are not as a whole as they have simply adopted a very male model. I was there.

Feminism has hurt low income women a great deal. The new feminism wanted women to "get out of the kitchen" and into the work force (Betty Freidan, The Feminine Mystique). All this was fine for upper class women who could look forward to a livable wage, even if not paid equally. But for lower income women, which these feminists participated in refusing to support the traditional work that women do, they merely burdened these women with more work because no longer were they supported for the traditional work such as care giving, community weaving and their work in the spiritual community.

NOW supported the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunities Act (Welfare Reform). This has forced poor women into McJobs that do not even pay the rent. Hillary Clinton was an enthusiastic supporter of this garbage. As a matter of fact, many of these women have to now work off their welfare in slave labor for non-profits and for profit corporations. They work for less than $.50 an hour with no breaks, no other assistance and do the same work as paid employees while undermining unions and paid work. Why hire a paid worker when you can not only get them for free but get more government goodies for "being so nice"?

Hillary Clinton oversaw this treatment in NYC where she worked with Guilliani to force welfare workers into the replacement of good union jobs. Welfare Rights groups got so frustrated with her, they threw waffles at her office because they said their cries went unheard. The topper that galled many of we poor was when she and Lieberman went around the country crowing about how "successful" Welfare Reform was. NOT! They no longer are supported for their family obligations and are told this work is "doing nothing".

Here is the most insidious of this: Welfare Reform did nothing to stop poverty, the only thing it did was lower the rolls. THIS is what Clinton and Lieberman crowed about. These idiots have no idea where those unsupported families went, what has happened to them or what they are doing now. I can tell you where these people are: working for pennies on the dollar, on the street homeless, unable to feed their kids and their kids are considered fodder for blame.

Feminism in its purest forms is fine. What it has done in practice is horrible for millions of women. The other problem I see with it is its ridicule of men and who men are so that men are now ashamed of being men. this translates into the schools as well as the work place. Girls are now supported and lauded, but a boy is considered not worth the time.

I have seen things like the workplace denigration of men. God forbid if a man is being a man, why they are "jerks" for being manly! Once I saw a man getting his crotch grabbed while other women who were his superiors looked on and laughed. He did not DARE tell anyone because he did not want to make trouble. But I told him, he should file a complaint and I would back him up as a witness, and that if any man had done that, not only would he be fired, he would be in jail. The man was too scared to report it.

Women lose on the average of $400,000 over a work life time because of care giving, according to the AARP. They not only have to make the agonizing decision whether or not to work for a wage, but for the 24/7 care of a loved one. Thanks to feminism, this is now considered "doing nothing" because a bunch of upper class women wanted their equality, to hell with the rest of us. According to the AARP if we were to replace this unpaid work with institutions, it would cost over $450 Billion so that women can go out there making rich men richer saying, "Do you want fries with that?" http://www.aarp.org/home-family/caregiving/info-10-2012/home-alone-family-caregivers-providing-complex-chronic-care.html

I do believe that true equality will free us all, IF we can all be who we are. I believe that equality is great IF we can give women more choices whether to work for a wage or care for their loved ones. But women in business and the government have just simply adopted the male-dominated patterns. They have done little or nothing to change things for the better ~ especially for the poor. They have done plenty to change things for themselves that trickles down to low waged women, but they ignore the plight of millions of families who now have no safety net, thanks to their applause. As a matter of fact Social Security calls this work as "zero years", leaving these care givers living in their cars when this care is finished.

As someone who straddled the time when women were supported while staying at home and then when we went into the workforce in great numbers, the treatment of women in the work force is "better" but her work at home is languishing and has *never* been supported. All of this created and applauded by so-called "feminists". Their female-dominated field of social work look down upon and treat poor women as if they made a "choice" to be poor when in fact poverty is an institution that they themselves depend upon for their own jobs. Poverty is not a "choice", lots of people depend on poor people to maintain their own class and keep this institution in place, thanks to "feminism". Women STILL make $.70 for every man's $1.00 and they do not see any time soon it will be any different. My sons, young men of color, are now considered "jerks" because of this philosophy. While denigrating women and dismissing men, feminists like Steinem, Clinton, Freidan and their ilk have actually put even more on the backs of poor women because now they are not supported for the work these elitist women ridiculed.

My 2 cents
Cat in Seattle