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Tumbulu

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23. Oh my goodness I took no offense and thank you for your kind words of encouragement
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 04:37 PM
Feb 2012

It is just that I live and work within the farming community.

It seems that the same reductionist mechanistic type of thinking that gave to us the industrial revolution and mass production/assembly lines, etc infected the thinking of almost everyone involved in modern farming- trying to make it more efficient and cost effective and threw out most of the wisdom carried forth from the dawn of civilization.

I was only trying to say that these people who bred and commercialized these plants - that I consider so inferior in quality, however high in yield they are- thought that they were doing something good. I remember once being asked by a group of UC agronomists "how can organic farmers feed the world? And what about feeding homeless people- organic food is too expensive!" They really think that they are putting an end to starvation. And that using fossil fuels to make nitrogen fertilizers is a good idea. I am not kidding. They think it is the same.

And I do think that these breeders and researchers are motivated by doing what they think is best (however wrong I think that their idea of best is). The farmers are proud to be feeding so many people. I am just trying to express that the motivations of most of these people seem to be admirable. It is the result- the inedible grains, the grains high in testable protein, but not available protein.....foods without flavor, mineral poor and not capable of really giving energy to us- that we are left with.

I had a professor of nutrition here once and I asked him how the protein level in the wheat correlated to the ability of the animal to digest that protein. He said there are no such studies done. That they just test the protein- a rather quick chemical analysis. To see if the animal is able to utilize the protein long testing trials must be conducted and no one funds this sort of research.

And so it is left to people like me who hobble along trying to make sense of all this ourselves on our own farms with our own animals.

I started out growing spelt, as I cannot stand wheat, and was looking for the oldest spelt variety that I could find. The person I was buying the old variety of spelt from said that the protein level was low in this line- but he grew it for his livestock and they did much better with it than with the newer varieties that had a higher protein content......which got me wondering about accessibility of the proteins and then this led me to the woman reintroducing this Sonora wheat.

Another thing I have done is research how much people used to eat back when the food was low yielding, but highly nutritious. They ate way way less than we do. It is true, they were smaller than we are, but it is also true that they did a lot of work and ate far less. This is a clue to me that the food was far more nutrient dense than our current high yielding modern "wonders".

But again, I think it is motivated by limited linear thinking - and it infected agriculture in both the former Soviet Union along with the Industrialized West. There were only a few holdouts- Rudolf Steiner and Sir Albert Howard at the turn of the 19th Century, and we are still a very small part of ag the organic/biodynamic folk.

I am so sorry for everyone who suffers from these maladies created by an industry not humble enough, or who are pushed to commercialize things by the business folk when they are not ready or properly tested.




Tumbulu Howler Feb 2012 #1
Thank you! Tumbulu Feb 2012 #2
I love hearing about your farm and all your animals Tumbulu. Howler Feb 2012 #3
Oh, that is so lovely! OneGrassRoot Feb 2012 #8
Thank you so much! Tumbulu Feb 2012 #9
May I pass this on to my healers group and the biodynamic farm group? BanzaiBonnie Feb 2012 #4
Sure, BonzaiBonnie Tumbulu Feb 2012 #10
What a wonderful thing to do! yellerpup Feb 2012 #5
Thanks! Tumbulu Feb 2012 #13
I am wishing the very best dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #6
gluten is a conjugate of two proteins Tumbulu Feb 2012 #11
You are indeed onto something. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #14
Thank you for explaining this Bluestar Feb 2012 #17
I do not think that the farmers large or small Tumbulu Feb 2012 #21
With all due respect Bluestar Feb 2012 #22
Oh my goodness I took no offense and thank you for your kind words of encouragement Tumbulu Feb 2012 #23
Sending my greenthumb energy! kentauros Feb 2012 #7
Thanks Kentaurus Tumbulu Feb 2012 #12
Rodale is a great organization all the way around! kentauros Feb 2012 #15
Thanks for more great finds! Tumbulu Feb 2012 #33
It would be phenomenal to get that much new topsoil :) kentauros Feb 2012 #39
I LOVE Soil Microbiology Tumbulu Feb 2012 #46
If you're not aware of Paul Stamets, kentauros Feb 2012 #50
Good Advice on this thread MagickMuffin Feb 2012 #16
Thanks so much MagickMuffin Tumbulu Feb 2012 #31
If I had the space, I would love to try this heirloom wheat. GardeningGal Feb 2012 #18
Thanks for posting his presentation Tumbulu Feb 2012 #30
What a fantastic pesentation- I am so glad that Tumbulu Feb 2012 #44
Here are some prayers for your awesome sounding golden wheat... BlueIris Feb 2012 #19
I'm keeping your farm in my attention, Tumbulu. bigmonkey Feb 2012 #20
YOU ARE WONDERFUL AND YOU HAVE HELPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tumbulu Feb 2012 #24
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!! Howler Feb 2012 #25
Hooray!!! bigmonkey Feb 2012 #49
Thanks so much for bringing up Sonora wheat BlueToTheBone Feb 2012 #26
Oh my goodness, that is who buys most of my Sonora wheat every year Tumbulu Feb 2012 #27
before and after ASAH (dial up warning) new amazing picture added Tumbulu Feb 2012 #28
Now that is looking GOOD MagickMuffin Feb 2012 #40
WOO HOO!!! Howler Feb 2012 #41
Sending birthing energy to your seeds. Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #29
Thank you- they are- take a look at the pictures- I am so very grateful Tumbulu Feb 2012 #34
Prayers and green energy vibes on their way to you Tumbulu..... Ecumenist Feb 2012 #32
Oh Ecumenist Tumbulu Feb 2012 #35
Are you in California? We're in a serious drought out here and the date you gave for rain sound Ecumenist Feb 2012 #36
Yes, northern Calif Tumbulu Feb 2012 #37
YES!!! It looks like the western gfoothills!! I'm in Sacramento ... Ecumenist Feb 2012 #38
yes they are- the Capay Valley Tumbulu Feb 2012 #43
Wow!! We were actually looking to buy property there, I believe it was on road 75? I think.. Ecumenist Feb 2012 #47
Thank you so much Ecumenist! That is amazing Tumbulu Feb 2012 #48
Mental imaging here for you: the biggest, burliest 30 acres of wheat ever seen by mankind :) TownDrunk2 Feb 2012 #42
Thank you! Tumbulu Feb 2012 #45
I love what you are doing, Tumbulu magical thyme Feb 2012 #51
Thank you magical thyme Tumbulu Feb 2012 #52
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