2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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109. That terminology is not so great. In any place with actual 'heirs' to power that is a birth right

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:08 AM

Jan 2016

and this is why American politicians have no heirs to their freaking offices. And in terms of a 'political heir' that would be up to Barack Obama to say, and he has not said that. You do not speak for him, there is not string to pull to move his mouth while you speak the words for him, this is not Vaudeville.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States, an office that has no 'heir' and an office for which he has not in fact endorsed any candidate.

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Aren't AA Dems slightly sickened by Hillary's "cleaving" to Obama tonight, after 2008? [View all] grasswire Jan 2016 OP

No. And David Axelrod really should not comment about Hillary campaign (nt) question everything Jan 2016 #1

Some are but most got over it, when she served as his SOS. JRLeft Jan 2016 #2

Nothing good will come of this OP. n/t demmiblue Jan 2016 #3

subtle enid602 Jan 2016 #4

Wrong JRLeft Jan 2016 #47

Out in the open pandering. I don't believe the polls that say the black vote is for hillary. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #5

yes, it was called "pandering" on CNN nt grasswire Jan 2016 #8

Nice! onecaliberal Jan 2016 #13

'Stockholm Syndrome' again? RandySF Jan 2016 #6

How dare she defend the president! Damn her! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #7

No one attacked Obama, no one believes her. shiriu Jan 2016 #11

Sorry but what she said about Sanders is true. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #14

Nothing's free anymore, didn't anyone tell you? Proof is required after a week of lies. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #122

Step out of the bubble... MrWendel Jan 2016 #20

No, she was trying to pit Bernie against Obama senz Jan 2016 #24

No he did not. He called for Obama to be primaried. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #27

Would you have a link for that? senz Jan 2016 #42

Here you go. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #44

Thank you. I just read it. Did you read it? senz Jan 2016 #65

Follow your own advice and good bye! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #68

The commenter has been provided with the fact multiple times. He doesn't care. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #69

You don't know a damn thing about me. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #73

Your words in print say it all. Outvoted. libdem4life Jan 2016 #197

It's difficult to argue meaningfully with those who resist thought. senz Jan 2016 #75

Have the courage to call me an idiot to my face. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #77

Why would I do that? I don't think you're an idiot. senz Jan 2016 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #93

O FFS own up to the fact he called for a primary challenger treestar Jan 2016 #116

As opposed to the entirely unsubstantiated rumors you brought up? mythology Jan 2016 #219

Yes but it was laced with typical Clinton dishonest deception Jarqui Jan 2016 #59

not according to Axelrod. grasswire Jan 2016 #91

AA Millennials on social media are telling her she's wrapped too tightly Fawke Em Jan 2016 #9

LOL! Segami Jan 2016 #12

LOL azmom Jan 2016 #38

That Would Make A Great PhotoShop !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #205

Wasn't she his secretary of state gwheezie Jan 2016 #10

Yes, and after her disastrous term ended, he graciously accepted her resignation leveymg Jan 2016 #19

Most cabinet members don't do both terms gwheezie Jan 2016 #21

He gave her lots of room to leave. leveymg Jan 2016 #28

Do you know how this works? gwheezie Jan 2016 #40

He asked her to remain for another year in the post Beacool Jan 2016 #25

I seriously doubt that. senz Jan 2016 #36

You can doubt it all you want, it still doesn't make it a fact. Beacool Jan 2016 #57

The Clinton campaign no longer gets to talk in terms of "fact". They've told too many lies. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #94

Room to leave a dignified exit. leveymg Jan 2016 #37

As the daughter of a diplomat, who also delved in the field, Beacool Jan 2016 #58

That's great dialouge! What would you sound like without all that diplomatic skill? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #108

Our diplomatic corp must be in a state of disarray JimDandy Jan 2016 #202

What was "disastrous" treestar Jan 2016 #117

Regime changes in Libya, Syria, and the establishment and spread of IS. But, you wouldn't know leveymg Jan 2016 #187

did RT tell you that? kwassa Jan 2016 #186

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? leveymg Jan 2016 #189

Critical thinking skills. kwassa Jan 2016 #190

Iraq was Bush's contribution. Libya and Syria are Clinton and Petraeus projects leveymg Jan 2016 #206

No, they are Obama projects. It is his foreign policy. kwassa Jan 2016 #217

No, HRC and Petraeus championed the policy, which Obama cut off. leveymg Jan 2016 #218

yes,and she did soooo well. wendylaroux Jan 2016 #162

From 538 Gothmog Jan 2016 #15

He's already cut into her lead with POC. JRLeft Jan 2016 #48

Really-She is not ahead by more than two to one in the polling? Gothmog Jan 2016 #55

He was polling at 1% JRLeft Jan 2016 #67

So Hillary Clinton still leads Sander by more than two to one Gothmog Jan 2016 #96

New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most Gothmog Jan 2016 #222

New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most Gothmog Jan 2016 #221

Who cares what 538 thinks? They've been wrong about everything this primary. jfern Jan 2016 #89

Who thinks AA are too dumb to see through her maneuver? thereismore Jan 2016 #178

What are Sanders' polling numbers in South Carolina and other non-white states? Gothmog Jan 2016 #181

Everybody knows. Let's see where they will be in 2 weeks ok? thereismore Jan 2016 #182

Hell yes Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #16

I don't see how Michelle could forgive her. senz Jan 2016 #29

I would love to a fly on the wall during the 08 campagin Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #34

I know. senz Jan 2016 #39

remember in 2008 when hillary invoked the assassination of Robert Kennedy nashville_brook Jan 2016 #17

I had forgotten that snivelling little profile in cowardice KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #82

ah, i had forgotten that one. yikes. nashville_brook Jan 2016 #201

Ay yay. Now I remember. Ugly! nt thereismore Jan 2016 #179

what's offensive is those who trashed Obama for years suddenly now faking Concern over 2008 JI7 Jan 2016 #18

Yeah, right? Reading what many here wrote about Barack in 2007-2008 archives has been very instructive. Green Forest Jan 2016 #26

PUMAS were banned. many of those accused of being PUMAS right now actually supported Obama in 2008 JI7 Jan 2016 #35

There may have been an effort but it was not totally successful, according to my archive reading. Green Forest Jan 2016 #97

2008 was long ago treestar Jan 2016 #120

There's more flip-flopping than the deck of a fishing boat after a good haul. betsuni Jan 2016 #46

Drop that mike, girl. Drop it. Number23 Jan 2016 #79

You Better Believe It!!! nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #86

What concern? I have no concern over 2008, but I'll damn sure point out her lies. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #104

+1 treestar Jan 2016 #118

That's what caught my attention. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #153

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #138

didn't you defend those who called Obama a "Piece of Shit" ? JI7 Jan 2016 #22

snap. one_voice Jan 2016 #33

I thought the other one was good but I think this one is The Winna. Number23 Jan 2016 #81

yep totally agree rbrnmw Jan 2016 #148

+1 Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #103

Well, there it is then... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #137

Obama chose Hillary as his SOS. Beacool Jan 2016 #23

That was the deal they reached that night in her DC house before the Convention leveymg Jan 2016 #41

Utter nonsense. Beacool Jan 2016 #56

... And we are just making shit up again I see. Agschmid Jan 2016 #78

What do you think they talked about the night of June 5, 2008? leveymg Jan 2016 #155

You link doesn't back up anything you said... So again I say apparently we are just making shit up. Agschmid Jan 2016 #156

Do you have something better that sheds light on how and why Obama appointed her as SOS? leveymg Jan 2016 #158

Except- this country is not a Monarchy notadmblnd Jan 2016 #62

No one said that it was. Beacool Jan 2016 #64

Yes you did. You said she is Obama's heir notadmblnd Jan 2016 #66

Political heir, do I really need to spell it out? Beacool Jan 2016 #70

You need to use the correct terminology notadmblnd Jan 2016 #72

That terminology is not so great. In any place with actual 'heirs' to power that is a birth right Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #109

So why hasn't PBO endorsed her? nt. sorechasm Jan 2016 #100

Because it would be a stupid idea for a sitting President to endorse someone in a ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #150

For the same reasons that no other sitting presidents have endorsed in the primary Empowerer Jan 2016 #152

... Mother Of Four Jan 2016 #171

What I meant is that of the two front runners, obviously Hillary is the one politically closest Beacool Jan 2016 #172

Thanks for the clarification :) Mother Of Four Jan 2016 #183

Heir? thereismore Jan 2016 #180

She thinks AA are stupid kcjohn1 Jan 2016 #30

Ask an AA Dem RandySF Jan 2016 #31

Aren't AA Dems slightly sickened by Bernie's suggesting Obama be primaried? brooklynite Jan 2016 #32

Not really. JRLeft Jan 2016 #49

...and not really in response to the OP. brooklynite Jan 2016 #53

I said some are but most got over it. My mom did. I did too. JRLeft Jan 2016 #74

Not slightly, at this point very and it was smart of Clinton to start this conversation in SC uponit7771 Jan 2016 #142

Sanders campaigns against Obama. Clinton is extending what Obama started. Figure it out. Not tough seabeyond Jan 2016 #43

lol Green Forest Jan 2016 #45

I know. It is a hoot his supporters that ignore what the man says. One would think, that his seabeyond Jan 2016 #51

She better hope, she wins Iowa and New Hampshire or else JRLeft Jan 2016 #52

Bernie Sanders can win Iowa and New Hampshire. Then what? Gothmog Jan 2016 #60

Meh. Clinton is ahead a good 30%. She's got this. seabeyond Jan 2016 #63

Obama campaigned FOR Sanders. grasswire Jan 2016 #92

It really isn't that tough. And extremely obvious. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #111

I have NEVER heard Bernie Sanders speak disrespectfully of Barack Obama. senz Jan 2016 #50

Try in 2011. Beacool Jan 2016 #61

There was absolutely nothing disrespectful in that. Nothing. senz Jan 2016 #71

Hillarians? That right there is the big difference between us. Beacool Jan 2016 #76

Sorry, that's fairly common usage, as is "Bernistas" which I don't mind. senz Jan 2016 #80

In other words, you completely skipped the question put to you because he wasn't disrespectful. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #95

Good observation. The "Bernie is bad" talking point was tried and failed. Green Forest Jan 2016 #98

Thank you. I'm not giving away freebies anymore to these people. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #99

Here's another observation Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #154

He says "...Obama has been able to move to the right..." then suggest a a remedy of primary so he uponit7771 Jan 2016 #144

And he was having to compromise to keep the government open treestar Jan 2016 #119

I don't think African Americans like this; hrmjustin Jan 2016 #54

I think AAs are smarter than you give them credit for. senz Jan 2016 #84

I'm a black American JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #130

Yea GummyBearz Jan 2016 #132

Yep - it sure is JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #147

David is bitter? LOL! underthematrix Jan 2016 #85

Please don't state falsehoods about Bernie. senz Jan 2016 #87

Thank you for your comment underthematrix Jan 2016 #88

Yes he was. Deal with it! leftofcool Jan 2016 #102

Yep they campaigned in the GE for him but first they were the two Americans most dedicated to Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #110

no, not at all Lil Missy Jan 2016 #90

Another Stockholm Syndrome thread leftofcool Jan 2016 #101

No, the "Sickening" debate was Thursday firebrand80 Jan 2016 #105

agree on all points. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #208

More Stockholm BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #106

+1 lovemydog Jan 2016 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #124

THANK YOU!!! Empowerer Jan 2016 #113

It is "white privilege" illustrated perfectly - front and center BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #133

Absolutely spot on Empowerer Jan 2016 #141

You have simply got to start speaking up more on this more often Number23 Jan 2016 #175

ˆˆˆWhat Number23 said . . . Empowerer Jan 2016 #176

FIXED DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #184

Thanks for that fix, DSB! Number23 Jan 2016 #185

You are welcome. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #196

+1 nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #209

+1 betsuni Jan 2016 #216

The disconnect is absolutely stunning. Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #123

Sometimes I wish they would listen to themselves. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #125

+1000 Quayblue Jan 2016 #126

You said everything I wanted to say JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #127

Excellent suggestion Empowerer Jan 2016 #143

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #140

+1,000,000 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #159

Girl, DROP THAT MIKE!!! Number23 Jan 2016 #174

I should have read through the thread before I posted tishaLA Jan 2016 #192

I think we're sicker of being patronized by people who treat us as if we can't think for ourselves Empowerer Jan 2016 #112

I think the OP is ugly and shameful. riversedge Jan 2016 #114

Me too - and fakey fake JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #129

No treestar Jan 2016 #115

Two points... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #121

she was sickning wendylaroux Jan 2016 #128

Is this physically possible? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #134

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #161

Sure, but is this anatomically possible DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #164

really? come over to the decent side,you have it in you! advice for you: wendylaroux Jan 2016 #165

I will give you this round. You left me speechless. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #167

First I don't 'adore' Obama JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #131

No. But thanks for asking. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #135

You seem, well, taciturn, this morning, my brother. eom. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #136

I have been watching the Martian ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #166

You have the day off...I wish more businesses would close./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #168

Yes ... And this is Arizona! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #169

It is in HRC's self interest to cling to President Obama. We are all adults!!! We know that!!! DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #170

Her trying to take credit for Obama's success in Iran was her worst moment of the night. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #139

Wasn't she SoS when the Iran dealings started? tia uponit7771 Jan 2016 #145

This "concern" would be a lot more believable if sufrommich Jan 2016 #146

Why do you assume this offensive to AAs? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #149

Seriously? This post is very racially offensive. CommonSenseDemocrat Jan 2016 #151

We needed another one of these posts after the other successful paternalistic thread. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #157

Yes, apparently they assume that AAs can't think for themselves. Beacool Jan 2016 #194

I don't think most African Americans are as naive as Hillary assumes. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #160

Agree, wendylaroux Jan 2016 #163

more projection from white people about black people. kwassa Jan 2016 #188

Aren't Bernie supporters slightly sickened by the constant display of brow-beating paternalism ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #173

Not this AA. NOLALady Jan 2016 #177

"Stockholm Syndrome," perhaps? tishaLA Jan 2016 #191

Do you realize how insulting you sound? Beacool Jan 2016 #193

sarcasm tishaLA Jan 2016 #195

My apologies, I misunderstood. Beacool Jan 2016 #198

No worries. I agree about the toxicity tishaLA Jan 2016 #199

Yeah, I remember that post. Beacool Jan 2016 #200

"You have zero knowledge of what you're babbling about." JimDandy Jan 2016 #204

I stand by that remark. Beacool Jan 2016 #212

Nice goin', Ace. LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #203

"those who adore Obama" alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #207

time to self delete, very offensive OP steve2470 Jan 2016 #210

Huh? GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #211

Perhaps the seminal poster meant "clinging" DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #213

Cleave is perfectly correct in that sentence. It has two different meanings, Tanuki Jan 2016 #220

I haven't forgotten 2008. Hillary doesn't believe in anything and Sanders is promising things he can craigmatic Jan 2016 #214

"I adore wrapping myself in Obama." Tonight. Cleave to Obama. Obama, the fragrance. betsuni Jan 2016 #215