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In reply to the discussion: With his fantasy health-care proposal, the Bernie movement becomes closer to a left-wing tea party. [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)173. I'm not pretending that at all. You should stop pretending it wouldn't require a big tax increase,
bigger my a margin than what Bernie has in his plan.
Oh, and not all countries other than the US have single payer plans. I don't really get the obsession with single payer. There are a number of ways to reach universal coverage. Some countries like Holland or Germany have a system similar to Obamacare, with a mandate for private insurance. But somehow single payer or bust has become a rallying cry among a segment of the left. Not sure why.
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With his fantasy health-care proposal, the Bernie movement becomes closer to a left-wing tea party. [View all]
DanTex
Jan 2016
OP
There's nothing fantastic about a program that every other developed nation has
Proserpina
Jan 2016
#1
Umm, OK then. I consider him probably best liberal economist out there, but under the bus he goes!
DanTex
Jan 2016
#124
Worse coverage? Only those with so called Cadillac plans will have "worse" coverage
randys1
Jan 2016
#180
We can't have it b/c the health insurance corporations have the corrupt politicians in their pockets
Skwmom
Jan 2016
#14
We can't have it because politicians like Sanders aren't serious about working out how to get there.
baldguy
Jan 2016
#32
But we have to start by electing officials that are MOTIVATED to pursue change...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#227
Because people like you are not willing to acknowledge the complexity involved
anigbrowl
Jan 2016
#179
It won't sell itself. It will take LEADERSHIP to sell it. The first step is having the guts to
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#218
You can thank Rahm Emanuel's DCCC for that BS, whose candidates they pushed...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#228
As a great philospher once said: Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth!
Human101948
Jan 2016
#196
Calm down...what I am saying is that you may be surprised at what develops
Human101948
Jan 2016
#203
Just because you are content to live in a second rate shithole of a country don't tell the rest of
CBGLuthier
Jan 2016
#2
Developed countries other than the U.S. spend half of what we do with better results...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#53
Look up the tax rates. They pay more. Sweden, for example, which that article brings up.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#69
Trying to point out that healthcare costs are not the source of high taxes...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#74
Healthcare is part of the source of the high taxes. But it's true, if all Bernie wanted to
DanTex
Jan 2016
#78
I'm not pretending that at all. You should stop pretending it wouldn't require a big tax increase,
DanTex
Jan 2016
#173
No-one said they did. Again you're just trying to make the case for Hillary's Obamacare Plus plan.
Kentonio
Jan 2016
#191
Umm, Bernie's plan wasn't released until Sunday, that article was posted Saturday.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#197
Interesting. Not sure vouching for this plan is going to do much for Reich's credibility going
DanTex
Jan 2016
#199
DanTex. He's far more qualified to analyze a national health care system than Robert Reich.
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2016
#208
You realize Bernie didn't make up his numbers, they were calculated by a real actual economist.
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2016
#205
name one that spends anywhere near as much per capita for nonuniversal coverage. nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#128
And I agree, there is something to that. So far all the crazy has come from one side.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#7
The "desperate" line is getting old. Bernie's SP numbers simply don't add up, and everyone who's
DanTex
Jan 2016
#11
Bernie's not "realistic" enough, so you'll take corporate profiteering and like it! nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#130
This ^ putting down the use of the "left wing tea party" term was alerted on
RiverLover
Jan 2016
#44
Maybe you could explain it to me then. It's true, I haven't been reading much DU recently.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#24
Well, since Bernie's plan doesn't add up, we don't know who exactly would pay more.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#31
I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes, not just for universal healthcare, but for a lot of other
DanTex
Jan 2016
#51
Lots of people die young. Most young people think they'll never get sick or old.
stopbush
Jan 2016
#214
Maybe it would be a good thing to lure some of those voters away from Trump?
Human101948
Jan 2016
#65
They need a lot of re-education before they'd be worthy members of the Democratic coalition.
baldguy
Jan 2016
#84
Nobody is accepting their racist, xenophobic or misogynist predilictions...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#92
Trump supporters don't hate Wall St & the 1% for taking a majority of the pie & leaving crumbs
baldguy
Jan 2016
#111
Here is a real fantasy - believing anything that Hillary says will actually happen. n/t
djean111
Jan 2016
#25
Croutons and a nice vinaigrette wouldn't help this angry word salad.
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2016
#39
Interesting choice of phrase, since Krugman, who popularized "VSP" is one of the people pointing out
DanTex
Jan 2016
#73
Obamacare doesn't represent failed ambitions to me. I don't get the obsession with single payer.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#91
Thanks for the insight. The point that I'm trying to make is that in terms of coverage and cost
DanTex
Jan 2016
#95
There are probably very few countries where everyone is thrilled with their system
DFW
Jan 2016
#109
Actually, the opposite is true. Bernie supporters automatically assume the plan will work simply
DanTex
Jan 2016
#96
Not working...Another posting that tells me to 100% support Bernie! Great thanks! Bernie 2016!
Yupy
Jan 2016
#100
You're right, it's fantasy proposals that have turned the Democratic party into a 3rd way........
raindaddy
Jan 2016
#119
She wants to improve Obamacare to get it working like other similar mandate/subsidy
DanTex
Jan 2016
#126
Bullshit. Obamacare is unpopular for a reason. Big Pharma, Big Hospitals and Big Insurance
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#219
Single payer and universal healthcare are not the same thing. I'm always surprised how many people
DanTex
Jan 2016
#137
No, it's definitely not. You can have single payer without universal coverage, and you can have
DanTex
Jan 2016
#146
It's universal, but it's not single payer. Not sure why this is so complicated.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#149
Jeezus Fucking Christ. This health plan is what EVERY other industrialized country has
Matariki
Jan 2016
#151
Sorry- Bernie's numbers don't add up. Saying fuck that does not make them add up
redstateblues
Jan 2016
#164
In other words, you are completely wrong about Germany and sort of right about The Netherlands
Nanjeanne
Jan 2016
#236
OPs like these do a disservice to the Democratic Party and whomever you are supporting. nt
TheBlackAdder
Jan 2016
#165
Independents and moderates would be more apt to support Bernie's positions on TPP and H-1B visas...
cascadiance
Jan 2016
#231
Are you talking about the fantasy health program virtually everyone on this site supported in 2008?
Vinca
Jan 2016
#183
It goes to show just how important leadership is. I don't want to be led down the dark hallway of
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2016
#212
Krugman-Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan
Gothmog
Jan 2016
#225
It is *IMPOSSIBLE* for America to enjoy the same level of healthcare as every other developed nation
Romulox
Jan 2016
#240
Be honest--you and the other tax protesters OPPOSE universal care because of self interest ($$$)
Romulox
Jan 2016
#242
Tax protester, what? It's not a protest, its just a matter of the numbers not adding up.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#243
I'm the one who volunteers to chip in to cover all Americans. You're the one...who won't.
Romulox
Jan 2016
#246