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2016 Postmortem

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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:59 PM Jan 2016

Do we really want Donald Trump to be president.... of the United States?????? [View all]

Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders (or why NOT to offer a lamb to the GOP)

In his article, Dana Milbank addresses the unpleasant fact of how good the GOP is at demonizing and dispatching opponents. We have seen them hounding Hillary Clinton for a couple of decades. We all need to remember that with many people if you repeat a lie often enough they will begin to think it's a reality. This works with, sorry to say it, many people (most are known as "the GOP base" but they are not limited to that group).

Nobody knows this better than the GOP. They count on people being programmable to win elections - well along with voter suppression (and, in a pinch, the Supremes to abort an election and choose who the 'winner' is). It seems many people are blythely oblivious to this fiendish facility of the GOP at McCarthyist politics, in their enthusiasm for their candidate who nobody doubts (in Democratic circles) is a good man. The Dana Milbank article could serve as a good medicament for those enthralled by reveries of Sir Good-at-Heart being victorious over the monstrous malevolence of the GOP - if they are open to his knowledgeable advice (and entreaty?).


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html
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Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: [font size="+1"]Opponents ("Opponents"?? ...how 'nice' of Dana to not put in print: "the GOP&quot have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.[/font]

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.

The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. [font size="+1"]They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy (this is just what the GOP is so masterful at_Bill USA).[/font] Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States.
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Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States SheenaR Jan 2016 #1
Sure they do. H2O Man Jan 2016 #9
Yes they do Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #26
53% of Americans said Obama was a socialist jfern Jan 2016 #32
Pledge-y Thingy of the Day! djean111 Jan 2016 #2
apparently the text in OP is beyond your grade level. Bill USA Jan 2016 #7
No need for personal insults, my dear. You just sound childish. djean111 Jan 2016 #10
"Sound like you are carrying the 'he's a Commie Socialist!!!!' water for the RW" ... this is not an Bill USA Jan 2016 #15
Oh, come on - any criticism of Hillary has been labeled as "using RW talking points" for quite a djean111 Jan 2016 #16
oh come now, you're off topic. This thread is about whether the GOP will apply their considerable Bill USA Jan 2016 #25
Listen, they will do that with h as well artislife Jan 2016 #40
does this kind of talk make you feel better, less small, less intimidated? This is how GOPers talk Bill USA Jan 2016 #23
Bwah! You are really reaching - sorry, not taking your baiting. djean111 Jan 2016 #28
"Bwah"?? a continuation of yr cmnt 10. If you can't talk issues, can't refrain from Punk Talk Bill USA Jan 2016 #34
As if Secretary Clinton is going to appeal to the "GOP base"? DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #36
A VOTE FOR BERNIE = HELLOOOOO PRESIDENT TRUMP! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #3
WELL HELLO PRESIDENT TRUMP MissDeeds Jan 2016 #4
Why do you hate America? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #5
I'm an evil Democratic Socialist MissDeeds Jan 2016 #6
don't be silly. He's just a True Believer Bill USA Jan 2016 #12
That's a serious case of projection you have going on there. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #13
I will be Voting Bernie too. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #43
We're all DOOMED! You didn't drink the koolaid the op was serving! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #44
I actually think nominating Hillary would almost guarantee a loss. reformist2 Jan 2016 #8
And if that's the case, the nation deserves everything that happens to it after that. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #20
I think you are invoking "fear itself!" immoderate Jan 2016 #11
The True Believers do not care. Hekate Jan 2016 #14
Sorry to disappoint you Bill, Bernie will be elected President of the U.S. Autumn Jan 2016 #17
Desperate fear-monger is desperate whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #18
Fear, Fear, FEAR!!!!!! ljm2002 Jan 2016 #19
Of course not. LWolf Jan 2016 #21
Even Donald Trump doesn't want Donald Trump to be President. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #22
I take it you're voting for Bernie then since he's more electable than Hillary. Broward Jan 2016 #24
Nope and neither do I want Hillary. Bernie crushes Trump in polling, Hillary not so much. AtomicKitten Jan 2016 #27
Trump speaktruthtopower Jan 2016 #29
Hillary's Fox News viewers invade DU WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #30
“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself” Autumn Jan 2016 #31
If the GOP has been "hounding Hillary Clinton for a couple of decades," it should be noted Vinca Jan 2016 #33
We have seen people trying to demonize Sanders from the day he entered the race Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #35
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #45
The Desperation is Strong in this one. 99Forever Jan 2016 #37
Republicans are mean. I give up. aidbo Jan 2016 #38
No, that;s another reason we need Berne. Hillary is un-electable. bowens43 Jan 2016 #39
oh noes!!1 frylock Jan 2016 #41
Yes, lets talk about the Milbank piece, & some of the adjectives he uses about the Clinton campaign. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #42
As you can see it is useless with them...n/t asuhornets Jan 2016 #46
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