2016 Postmortem

pinebox

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55. Oh?

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:20 PM

Feb 2016

Let's talk.

Tell us please where Bernie isn't progressive? Go ahead. I'm betting you'll say guns won't you. Not sure if you're aware that he voted for the AWB in the 80s but go ahead.

Hillary isn't a progressive.
You want a list?
I shall provide it.

Iraq
TPP
KXL
Voting for a border fence
Saying child migrants should be sent home
Having a melt down as SOS over gender changes of same sex couple
Wall Street donations
Speaking fees
Taking money from weapons deals
Honduras
Comments about nuking Iran
Calling herself a moderate
NAFTA
DOMA
DADT
Opposing gay marriage in New York State
Brownbeck Amendments
Glass-Steagall
No living wage
No free college
No universal health care (ACA coverage gap....ACA will never provide UHC)
Pro arctic drilling
pro fracking
on and on..........................

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/4/1390529/-Hillary-s-voting-record
In fact, in three seperate bills, Hillary broke with democrats to vote in favor of the use of this chemical in US fuel.

Hillary broke with Democrats against ensuring the workers at the Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site would not receive life insurance, health and life insurance benefits when their environmental work was terminated by the republican majority.

Hillary broke ranks with the democrats and voted with the majority of republicans to eliminate the requirement of reusable fuel in US gasoline in 2004.

Hillary voted with republicans for oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

To authorize the State of Virginia to petition for authorization to conduct natural gas exploration and drilling activities in the coastal zone of the State.
Hillary didn't vote

That's your candidate. OWN IT.

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Last night Clinton exposed the fact that Sanders CAN NOT pass his own purity test [View all] uponit7771 Feb 2016 OP

My take is that your purity test meme is bullshit. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #1

I concur. Plus word salad. And strawmen. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #2

see uponit7771 Feb 2016 #4

Oh good nichomachus Feb 2016 #6

More overt dodges and adhoms.... it's clear what the question is Lewis A sell out too?! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #12

I gave up trying to figure that out a while ago. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #26

... and then they grammar check you... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #27

No... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #209

HRC: "I don't think it was particularly progressive to vote against the Brady Bill five times." Bill USA Feb 2016 #200

I don't think it's particularly progressive for the woman who smeared Obama on guns to flip flop now beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #201

I've seen several additional posts by the OP Aerows Feb 2016 #109

and commies! because, something....nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #17

Don't forget pixie dust! Oh, wait, that was yesterday. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #21

i gotta get the daily schedule into excel...i can't keep up! nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #22

The daily schedule of Sander supporters ad homs to cogent questions is full ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #28

lets get into the time machine for a moment restorefreedom Feb 2016 #36

Was that yesterday already? Aerows Feb 2016 #183

I wonder what tomorrow will bring? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #185

I think it is probably Aerows Feb 2016 #187

You're right, it's been a few days so that one will definitely have to be churned up. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #189

It's changed from unicorns to used cars now uponit7771 Feb 2016 #211

Not to mention mixed metaphors: "pure as the driven snow KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #188

Condescending ad homs are indicators of weak positions uponit7771 Feb 2016 #3

You mean like the fucking nasty ones in YOUR op cali Feb 2016 #46

It's becoming clearer that a good number of these people are teenagers . . . Empowerer Feb 2016 #206

That is weak sauce. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #5

I agree, Sanders purity test is weak and he can't pass it himself. He's not the uber progressive... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #8

Dig that hole...please proceed... GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #14

No need to dig, just point out Sanders own corporate record... Clinton started last night... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #18

Strategic mistake by a rattled Clinton camp GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #25

Jesus was pure, Sander is not... bookmarked and this is offensive and indicates uponit7771 Feb 2016 #31

When will HRC release the transcripts of her Wall St insider speeches? GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #50

Your op is offensive cali Feb 2016 #71

You forgot poopy head... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #83

Your post got my attention. I researched his vote on the CMA and... casperthegm Feb 2016 #57

*cricket*... *cricket*... VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #81

you do understand that you just agreed with a post that was Karma13612 Feb 2016 #223

My take? HassleCat Feb 2016 #7

Clinton specified it clearly last not so this is an overt dodge, I pray Clinton will keep this up... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #10

You're not speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #9

Clinton did, clearly outlined his bag of bad and it didn't sound like he can throw a rock... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #13

lets remember this moment, shall we? restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20

She makes me ill. pangaia Feb 2016 #33

mighht want to keep some pepto bismal on hand.... restorefreedom Feb 2016 #39

Bookers pangaia Feb 2016 #42

:) nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #45

I have a strong stomach Nedsdag Feb 2016 #65

Irrelevant, on CFR Sanders has voted for corporation in which proxies have helped him before uponit7771 Feb 2016 #34

goldman sachs. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #43

Gun companies... NRA helped him elections before... no... they guy CAN NOT throw stones uponit7771 Feb 2016 #49

the nra meme is a lie. they have always hated him. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #56

This is false on its face, facts matter... his first election I think... well documented... they've uponit7771 Feb 2016 #84

he has also had an f and currently has a d minus restorefreedom Feb 2016 #113

"he has an... AVG.... C" Actually that's a lie, not a fact. Who told you that? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #127

Hello? Where did you get the "AVG .... C rating" from? Link? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #142

I love how they keep going for "he's the NRA's waterboy" VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #88

Corporate immunity from law suites uponit7771 Feb 2016 #90

Wrong. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #98

....and right on time, the nuanced explanation to a corporatist vote that is not afforded Clinton... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #102

Since when is a privately owned gun store a corporation? VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #103

WOW... dude(ette) I know the bill did not end at just small gun stores... I'm not a LIV... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #110

Now I'm convinced you're obtuse. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #122

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Feb 2016 #124

Why do you keep using them then? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #131

WHAT?! What does this mean?! lol....sup BMUS uponit7771 Feb 2016 #140

You got schooled Aerows Feb 2016 #178

excellent list. sad, but comprehensive. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #111

Don't forget his vote for the crime bill. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #137

You mean his vote for the Violence Against Women Act and assault weapons ban? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #139

The Omnibus Crime Bill that has put more brown and black people in jail than at any time Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #169

He explained why he voted for it, here's a recap: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #170

You ain't seen nuthin' yet leftofcool Feb 2016 #141

"bag full of bad" is that part of the same meme or a new one? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #150

I kind of like it. Aerows Feb 2016 #192

I think I will take another coffee ... Hiraeth Feb 2016 #11

Another dodge, Sanders bag of bad no better than anyone else's... we'll see how this . uponit7771 Feb 2016 #15

we shall see. now, that is an undisputed fact. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #23

The purity test is a Clinton meme --- and they need to choose is HRC really more progressive than karynnj Feb 2016 #16

The purity test is something Sanders is applying to everyone else but himself, he can't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #19

Just because you say "purity test" and "Sanders" a lot in the same sentence Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #30

Neither does Sanders intimation that he's the uber progressive make it so either, he's not.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #37

Wow. We went from "purity test" to "intimation" in one thread Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #59

What purity test? Do you have a link? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #32

Sanders does, he tweeted it yesterday... google it, its interesting how he's trying to define the uponit7771 Feb 2016 #48

I Googled it and found nothing from Bernie about a purity test Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #58

Are you expecting something on paper or online or just expecting folk to think you don't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #89

All I am asking is for you to back up your claim Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #96

The claim is backed up by Sanders well documented votes that Clinton outlined last night weren't uponit7771 Feb 2016 #105

So is this your purity test or Bernie's? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #116

Sanders figurative test,.. you understand I'm talking figuratively and not literally about uponit7771 Feb 2016 #128

So he failed a figurative purity test that does not actually exist? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #135

Yes, cause she didn't give him a sheet of paper during the debate and ask him to fill it out... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #158

So now you are saying it is Hillary giving the purity test and not Bernie? Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #161

OMFG, is this real!? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #163

I am just going by your own words. Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #164

I swear, Bjorn, my friend, it's like arguing with a 3 ring circus Aerows Feb 2016 #107

WOW... right on time ... the "I don't understand" crew is all over the place this morning uponit7771 Feb 2016 #112

"I don't understand" Aerows Feb 2016 #191

I don't get it either. Bjorn Against Feb 2016 #117

Glad to see you, too :) Aerows Feb 2016 #181

Post a fucking link. Now. cali Feb 2016 #69

To Sanders corporatist votes? Or are you another person who's going to act like this is a paper uponit7771 Feb 2016 #108

Hillary is NO progressive! pinebox Feb 2016 #24

and by Sanders own purity test he applies to Clinton neither is he.... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #41

Oh? pinebox Feb 2016 #55

CFMA.... nough said uponit7771 Feb 2016 #68

Gitmo pinebox Feb 2016 #72

Yes, gitmo... another issue Sanders didn't support Obama's progressive stance on... thx for the uponit7771 Feb 2016 #75

And you got baited pinebox Feb 2016 #80

Oh nuance, something ELSE Sanders purity test doesn't afford anyone else but him... not bait, I'm uponit7771 Feb 2016 #87

Sure pinebox Feb 2016 #157

But see, here's the thing: We KNOW Hillary isn't progressive. We already know this, so... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #172

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #194

BUT you fail to understand pinebox Feb 2016 #226

I don't "fail to understand" anything. How does Sanders plan to get single payer or any Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #227

I answered your question pinebox Feb 2016 #228

But every time he was asked to respond to HRC, he started his sentence with "I AGREE!" Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #154

oh Pinebox, you ALMOST owed me a new laptop! LOL!! Karma13612 Feb 2016 #224

If she's going to co-opt the progressive label... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #29

If Sanders is going to claim someone is NOT a progressive because of their bag of bad... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #61

Sanders doesn't have a purity test for being progressive cali Feb 2016 #35

Except the tweet he sent earlier this week? Yes he does, he applies it to Clinton often uponit7771 Feb 2016 #62

Link. cali Feb 2016 #73

link uponit7771 Feb 2016 #78

Psst...the people making claims of purity tests are Clinton supporters jeff47 Feb 2016 #38

Who cares what its called, Sanders can't pass it and he's the one applying it uponit7771 Feb 2016 #63

Again, Clinton supporters created one and applied one. jeff47 Feb 2016 #171

I think the "purity test" was a somewhat manufactured game by the media. thereismore Feb 2016 #40

Again, an rose by any other name... Sanders can't past the litmus he's applying to others uponit7771 Feb 2016 #64

You are slapping an extended hand. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #91

not the first time. Karma13612 Feb 2016 #225

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #176

Lessee - "purity test" or voting for a politican who is in favor of war, cluster bombs, the TPP, djean111 Feb 2016 #44

You are correct in your analysis Gothmog Feb 2016 #47

lol EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #51

Sanders throws stones all the time. wildeyed Feb 2016 #52

+1, his comments on PP and NARAL are gob smacking ... Franks had a critique of this that was... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #74

LOL. I'll paste the response I gave you to the same thing in another thread dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #53

Everyone is not a sell out or perfect, ...... including Sanders. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #67

I'll work to elect the guy who isn't a sellout, thanks dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #70

#BernieSoPure uponit7771 Feb 2016 #94

He actually is the most pure politician I have ever seen - NT dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #205

This post is pure bunk! nt ladjf Feb 2016 #54

Well dangit, you've convinced me..... that most of the Sanders camp retort is thin and uponit7771 Feb 2016 #86

He set the rule and now he doesn't pass his rules. Okay, get a new set of rules. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #60

+1, last night Clinton cut into Sanders labeling of herself and a lot of others... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #66

Excellent attempt Aerows Feb 2016 #76

Ummm, noooooo... no one has a "purity" strength... that's silly uponit7771 Feb 2016 #82

So you disagree with yourself Aerows Feb 2016 #101

Reality states no one is pure on any issue, Sanders on the other hand is chiding Clinton for her uponit7771 Feb 2016 #129

You DO know that Bernie marched with Dr. King? Empowerer Feb 2016 #207

+1, and after moving there told people last year that "those things aren't important" uponit7771 Feb 2016 #216

"There usually aren't candidates with a good message that gets narrow support" - except with Bernie Empowerer Feb 2016 #219

Repeatedly asked for a link to her/his claims, but unable to produce one cali Feb 2016 #77

CFMA, Brady Bill, Corporate immunity, Gun Votes, Immigration votes... are all well documented uponit7771 Feb 2016 #79

No links, just nonsense. cali Feb 2016 #99

CFMA isn't nonsense, too the cops off the beat and Sanders changed the subject last night when uponit7771 Feb 2016 #114

I googled "purity test" + Bernie Sanders and came up zilch. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #85

The "I don't understand" squad is hard to work with uponit7771 Feb 2016 #92

So you have that link yet? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #95

Yes, I have a link to the "I don't understand" squad... they're all over the place uponit7771 Feb 2016 #100

Well you are the captain. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #104

The captain of what? tia... please be clear, your post are confusing.... thx uponit7771 Feb 2016 #115

The "I don't understand" squad" you just posted about. Did you forget already? Here's the link: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #118

Your post are confusing, what are you talking about ?!? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #123

I guess to be a progressive you have to say you're a moderate-centrist. valerief Feb 2016 #93

Or have a well established imperfect record of being so? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #97

What's a perfect record and who claimed to have one? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #106

Sanders... who has intimated that Clinton is influenced by taking 1/25 of her yearly salary in uponit7771 Feb 2016 #120

Link to where he said he had a perfect record? Tia! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #125

So now you don't understand how Sanders is being judged by his own criticisms of others?!? REALLY?! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #132

You claimed he said he had a perfect record, did you just make that up? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #134

He has no 'purity test' AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #119

I disagree, he's claiming people are "establishment" and not progressive because of some uponit7771 Feb 2016 #121

Do you know what 'establishment' means? It is a small group who hold power AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #148

I was tickled by the number of times that Sanders "agreed" with HRC. I'm no fan of Hillary... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #126

I'm not a Bernie supporter, BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #177

I like Bernie much better than HRC, but I don't think he can win this. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #179

What I like best about his candidacy BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #190

My take is that he and his fanatics will continue to turn off the majority of black voters with Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #130

+1, Franks critique of Sanders is spot on on this subject not only is he turning off black voters .. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #138

The "Establishment" meme is fascinating because Sanders is no Trump or Carson. They have no Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #168

Franks said he's been getting away with that meme because he hasn't been taken seriously ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #174

I've been in D.C. for over 20 years now. I've almost caught up with Bernie Sanders. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #175

This is a grand and magnificent subthread Number23 Feb 2016 #210

LOL - that WAS pretty funny Empowerer Feb 2016 #220

Girl, the white folks jumping up and down were saying "who is he??"!!!!! Number23 Feb 2016 #232

Great point. I bet most of these people had to look up who Ben Jealous is. Hilarious! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #229

Why not trying to explain what this steamy pile BS is based on? Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #133

Too much pixie dust would be my guess. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #144

Clinton outlined votes of Sanders past that weren't progressive even though he's claiming to uponit7771 Feb 2016 #153

Sanders doesnt have a purity test bowens43 Feb 2016 #136

Then why is he defining what "establishment" and progressive is? No one else is but him... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #143

Where did he define those terms? Link? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #147

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #145

Don't forget. Obama is no progressive according to Bernie and his bros. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #146

"Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s" beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #149

+1, Franks has a great article on this... SC will be a tell tale, I think Sanders will have to end uponit7771 Feb 2016 #151

Still waiting for that link to your claim he has an "AVG C rating" from the NRA. Found it yet? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #152

My take is that anyone who uses the term 'purity test' Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #155

OK, litmus?! better?! tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #156

How many times did he vote against the Brady Bill? nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #159

I think it was like 3... or 5... His objections were part of getting the days waiting down to 3 vs uponit7771 Feb 2016 #162

At least Sanders is consistent. Yeager29 Feb 2016 #160

Sanders acts like he is pure by dogging Clinton...Obama...NARAL..PP.. by calling them establishment uponit7771 Feb 2016 #165

Saint Bernie should not say this to put a wedge into dem party FloridaBlues Feb 2016 #166

But he is correct Yeager29 Feb 2016 #167

It's not that he's not wrong or right is its he is trying to differentiate himself by intimating he' uponit7771 Feb 2016 #173

My take: dgibby Feb 2016 #180

That sounds disgusting uponit7771 Feb 2016 #195

You mean it's not progressive to vote against the workinclasszero Feb 2016 #182

Somehow Bernie Sanders get a pass on all those non-progressive votes uponit7771 Feb 2016 #196

Latest meme: Sanders isn't snow. Good one. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #184

#SandersSoPure...bout to trend uponit7771 Feb 2016 #197

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #186

That makes a great starter ignore list ! n/t Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #208

Well, shoot. My name isn't on there! I'll add it now. Don't forget to put me on your ignore too! Squinch Feb 2016 #233

Clinton is not a progressive... never has been. basselope Feb 2016 #193

Is "his own purity test" available on line? 99Forever Feb 2016 #198

Yes, go to HillaryClinton.com and donate money... Then pm me uponit7771 Feb 2016 #202

So there is no "his purity test," huh? 99Forever Feb 2016 #203

Yeap, it comes from Sanders mouth often... you want to see it ask Sanders cause now he's uponit7771 Feb 2016 #204

Bullshit. 99Forever Feb 2016 #212

so you really want people to believe that you dont understand that the test is figurative one and... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #213

You made a fucking accusation. 99Forever Feb 2016 #214

With the overt common sense intimation that there was no physical test with a pen and paper being uponit7771 Feb 2016 #215

Put up or shut up. 99Forever Feb 2016 #217

OK, got to www.hillaryclinton.com and donate and then PM me and I'll give it you :rolleyes: uponit7771 Feb 2016 #218

That stupid line again? 99Forever Feb 2016 #221

Get crackin' bud. 99Forever Feb 2016 #230

there is a difference between Liberal positions in speeches & Liberal accomplishments in legislation Bill USA Feb 2016 #199

Fabulous! Squinch Feb 2016 #234

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #235

WHAT???????????????? Karma13612 Feb 2016 #222

Based on your logic maybe, LOL, You crack me up. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #231