2016 Postmortem

Bubzer

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75. I haven't seen anyone declare they hate hillary (anyone who's not a conservative).

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 01:29 PM

Feb 2016

She honestly just isn't worth that kind of investment of emotion. Plenty of people dislike her... or, in most cases, her tendency to flip flop, or grasp at political expediency.

There's plenty of facts out there showing she lacks integrity. Those who're not pretending these facts don't exist are absolutely justified is asking for more transparency. Particularly from someone who's trying to hide something. Politics has proven time and time again, whenever someone is trying to hide something, it's because they've done something wrong.

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Hillary's Great Lie To Democratic Voters Will Be The Biggest Deceit in Election History [View all] berni_mccoy Feb 2016 OP

Do you think not releasing the transcripts is the same as or worse than Watergate? nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #1

How can you say it's not without knowing what is in the transcripts? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #3

Because one was breaking the law and the other is a legal campaign tactic. bjobotts Feb 2016 #98

you seem pretty confident saying that, without any knowledge of what was spoken. n/t JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #102

Breaking into the Watergate Hotel vs the content of a speech? I'm confident bjobotts Feb 2016 #105

Did Nixon break into Watergate? Did he order the break in? merrily Feb 2016 #152

Oh, comeon, Jon Please passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #141

I didn't make the comparison, I said it is impossible to know either way without transparency. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #142

As of 1972, what had Nixon done with respect to Watergate? merrily Feb 2016 #153

It is too complex for this thread. There must be such a time-line on the Internets. WinkyDink Feb 2016 #181

Pls. see Reply 154. I had looked at 2 before posting. They were vague. Thanks anyway. merrily Feb 2016 #184

The fallout of Watergate destroyed Nixon's presidency AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #161

Are you assuming Nixon ordered the break in? merrily Feb 2016 #151

It wasn't a campaign tactic Docreed2003 Feb 2016 #177

Dear god do you know what Watergate was? Your comment is mind boggling if you do. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #106

I do. Hope that clears up your confusion. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #110

I am at sea. I've looked at two sources so far and I still don't know. merrily Feb 2016 #154

Uhhh you are confusing the Pentagon papers with Watergate JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #158

Okay. I had the wrong office, which is my bad, but not material to your claim. merrily Feb 2016 #160

merrily, I actually have made no claims in this thread. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #164

AFAIK, though I could be wrong, failure to report a crime alone is not a crime. merrily Feb 2016 #165

As bad as... Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #13

not even close. the sensationalism is disgusting MariaThinks Feb 2016 #52

As disgusting as claiming to fight Wall Street while coddling them upperatmos Feb 2016 #94

Actually the transcripts don't matter. There is nothing that can change the minds of those rhett o rick Feb 2016 #128

Not releasing the transcripts is not a crime AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #159

"Not releasing the transcripts" is the new Bengazhi...the GOP baboons thank you. Fred Sanders Feb 2016 #2

Yep. And the GOP baboons are funding this attack. JTFrog Feb 2016 #9

The GOP has decided to stop doing Clinton propaganda research, since Bern fans do it for them. Fred Sanders Feb 2016 #15

Nope. They are spending big on this one. But they certainly are getting a lot of help. n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #16

No, Hillary is doing this to herself. People who point out this are just following the money and FighttheFuture Feb 2016 #43

+1000 Shadowflash Feb 2016 #63

exactly! green917 Feb 2016 #96

+ 10,000 Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #97

Mic drop. +1001 Gorgatron Feb 2016 #99

Well put farleftlib Feb 2016 #100

.^that 840high Feb 2016 #119

It is her pile of crap. She made it, she owns it. Yep she did/does. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #138

I have inside information RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #48

I want to know what she said, but I dont want to destroy her in the process of Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #108

If what you hold dear survived Reagan and Bush, it will survive Cruz. merrily Feb 2016 #156

Why is it 'propaganda research' to ask what she said in her speeches to Wall strt etc. bjobotts Feb 2016 #111

You guys are killing me in this sub thread. yardwork Feb 2016 #174

lmao this logic makes me laugh retrowire Feb 2016 #57

It's like you think Kall Feb 2016 #59

Asking Hillary to release her transcripts is not an attack bjobotts Feb 2016 #104

+1000. nt sufrommich Feb 2016 #12

Bullshit. I have a right to know what she said to Goldman Sachs Fawke Em Feb 2016 #25

They should thank Hillary for not releasing them. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #26

I am sure they will show their gratitude in due time. DiehardLiberal Feb 2016 #167

Bull. Fucking. Shit. gcomeau Feb 2016 #31

Right? Marr Feb 2016 #76

Does it really, though? merrily Feb 2016 #157

Big banks pay a potential POTUS millions and not expect a return on those millions? sarge43 Feb 2016 #171

No. artislife Feb 2016 #34

It has to do with integrity. tecelote Feb 2016 #44

The transcripts are a red herring to whitewash taking the money kristopher Feb 2016 #67

"Hillary is part of a rigged system" is true. Duval Feb 2016 #137

I believe Sanders is going to be the President. kristopher Feb 2016 #139

They'll be thanking the Hillary cabal in November. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #92

No, it isn't, but keep trying to sell it that way. merrily Feb 2016 #155

Woodward is a kook SHRED Feb 2016 #4

I truly cannot believe that these facts don't strike every Democrat... dchill Feb 2016 #5

Makes me uncomfortable that she won't release them. The why implies they're unflatering. bjobotts Feb 2016 #107

Her refusal to release them is unflattering *and* suspicious, merrily Feb 2016 #162

Agreed, she needs to release the transcripts Chantel Feb 2016 #6

... LexVegas Feb 2016 #7

That seems to be your standard reply. Nothing of subtence to say? Bubzer Feb 2016 #65

Haven't you heard? Fascism is funny! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #80

Saves the painful process of engaging the brain. libdem4life Feb 2016 #144

Is it bad that I want to laugh and shake my head in sorrow all at the same time? Bubzer Feb 2016 #145

Does boggle the mind...the one sentence Pronouncements of Truth. libdem4life Feb 2016 #146

Less boggling and more pure frustration, for me. Bubzer Feb 2016 #147

She comes after my heel, I'll put it somewhere interesting. libdem4life Feb 2016 #148

LOL! That is definately an amusing thought :) Bubzer Feb 2016 #149

From my niece: Auntie, you have to be careful what you wish for because the wish fairy merrily Feb 2016 #163

Expect to hear that transparency from our side is a Republican thing meme. LOL Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #8

You don't have a right to know every single conversation a candidate has with other groups. randome Feb 2016 #10

for now....eom islandmkl Feb 2016 #19

absolutely. drray23 Feb 2016 #28

"Outside DU, this is a non-issue." Fawke Em Feb 2016 #30

Seriously, you think Trump's rise is related to issues of wealth and inequality? randome Feb 2016 #37

When they heavily donate to her campaign, the Clinton Global Initiative, and her Super PACs, yes we Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #33

If Sanders wins the nomination, that's fine with me. randome Feb 2016 #40

Are you serious? Politicalboi Feb 2016 #109

I'm not so much supporting her as recognizing the writing on the wall. randome Feb 2016 #173

And we have every right to demand to know tabasco Feb 2016 #53

A huge group, yes we do! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #61

We do when those conversations were bought and paid for with millions of dollars. gcomeau Feb 2016 #81

If she wants to be paid millions of dollars by Goldman Sachs and have private meetings with them, Marr Feb 2016 #84

Could Goldman Sachs out her? DhhD Feb 2016 #135

Why the secrecy? Were her investors on Wall St. unhappy with her performances? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #11

That's the $64,000 question. tabasco Feb 2016 #54

The $675,000 question Laughing Mirror Feb 2016 #93

The figure of speech t-shirt... Surya Gayatri Feb 2016 #14

LOL! MaggieD Feb 2016 #24

Perfect! ( saving - thanks ) n/t pkdu Feb 2016 #46

You're welcome! Surya Gayatri Feb 2016 #56

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #17

She is a joke, i dont blame you for laughing. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #62

Pfffft alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #101

Geez! Hyperbole Much? Stallion Feb 2016 #18

it will come out, the only question is when restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20

We know she didn't tell them the crooked should go to jail.. tokenlib Feb 2016 #21

We know she told them to "cut it out"... GummyBearz Feb 2016 #35

Ok. zappaman Feb 2016 #22

Nobody except those that hate her care about the transcripts MaggieD Feb 2016 #23

I haven't seen anyone declare they hate hillary (anyone who's not a conservative). Bubzer Feb 2016 #75

Check your sig line MaggieD Feb 2016 #78

There is no hate there, that's silly. morningfog Feb 2016 #79

My sig line declares I hate hillary? Where does it say that... *looks again* nope...still not there. Bubzer Feb 2016 #82

okay dokey MaggieD Feb 2016 #85

Ahh... another non substence reply from a hillary supporter. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you... Bubzer Feb 2016 #87

okay dokey MaggieD Feb 2016 #88

Your sig line screams "I support the other guy" In blind following of HRC supporters, that means you Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #168

Oooooooh, also rich, white and angry! Oh, and not actually a liberal. Bubzer Feb 2016 #182

Hopefully if she releases them, Bernie will win Politicalboi Feb 2016 #115

Bernie is not going to win MaggieD Feb 2016 #117

He will when Hillary drops out Politicalboi Feb 2016 #120

She's not dropping out MaggieD Feb 2016 #121

Putting us all at risk Politicalboi Feb 2016 #122

We aren't going to elect a socialist - sorry MaggieD Feb 2016 #123

That's a bit asinine, don't you think? Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #166

The transcript thing is easily one of the dumbest "controversies" I've ever seen. Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #125

Yes, I was on a mandatory Hillary supporter time out - LOL MaggieD Feb 2016 #127

"I was on a mandatory Hillary supporter time out" BeanMusical Feb 2016 #132

K & R!!! Thespian2 Feb 2016 #27

The transcripts will prove or disprove nothing. The absence amounts of money and the unwillingness Skwmom Feb 2016 #29

Mitt Romney had his 47% comment. Sec. Clinton might have a 99% comment in her transcripts.... xocet Feb 2016 #32

Hillary is completely unelectable and her supporters need to quit whining that she's being attacked w4rma Feb 2016 #36

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #38

We have standing to demand she releases said transcripts in total Arizona Roadrunner Feb 2016 #39

I believe she was a private citizen when she made those speeches so, no, there is no 'standing'. randome Feb 2016 #55

Uh huh. You sure know how elections work, dontchya? TheSarcastinator Feb 2016 #68

And Romney was right to fight releasing his tax returns. Private citizen! gcomeau Feb 2016 #86

When running for president you lose your right to privacy.Everything up for scrutiny, legally bjobotts Feb 2016 #113

Yes, we do have standing Arizona Roadrunner Feb 2016 #176

Really? Even Bigger Than Bush's WMD Claim In The 2004 Election? Corey_Baker08 Feb 2016 #41

It is very telling that she hides these things from a public that bbgrunt Feb 2016 #42

Good grief.. what utter nonsense. What do you expect is in there?? DCBob Feb 2016 #45

Not really sure what is in there, Bob, it's why I'd like to have a look TheUndecider Feb 2016 #129

I wouldn't turn them over either. DCBob Feb 2016 #130

You may be right, surely at least one sound bite to be misconstrued. TheUndecider Feb 2016 #136

It goes towards character. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #47

I love the smell of extreme hyperbole in the morning Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #49

Which one? trillion Feb 2016 #50

i would think bush saying he was moderate was the worst? MariaThinks Feb 2016 #51

Actually woodward's quote is not about the transcripts nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #58

So you're saying the fact that she hasn't released these transcripts (an issue that has never.... George II Feb 2016 #60

Vietnam, NK, Iraq...I guess they weren't deceitful. nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #69

ROLF! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #64

Damn...I can only rec once. It should be a thousand. yourout Feb 2016 #66

Why won't Hillary release her library records? brooklynite Feb 2016 #70

ah yes, reduction to absurdity TheSarcastinator Feb 2016 #72

I believe it hinders the process if we make lite of the need to know what she said. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #112

She wasn't paid $200,000 to check out a book bjobotts Feb 2016 #114

HYPERBOLE jcgoldie Feb 2016 #71

self-awareness is difficult and painful TheSarcastinator Feb 2016 #73

And Hillary's one of the Greatest Liars in human history Politicalboi Feb 2016 #118

How about a go-fund-me 90-percent Feb 2016 #74

Too much seaotter Feb 2016 #77

The hyperbole on this site is getting out of control. Bleacher Creature Feb 2016 #83

A little hyperbolic. zentrum Feb 2016 #89

Wow...history is turning in its grave... n/t anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #90

Whitewater, Benghazi, E-mails ... BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #91

What Hillary probably said to Goldman-Sachs: John Poet Feb 2016 #95

K&R kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #103

Why should she give into the unreasonable demands of unreasonable people? great white snark Feb 2016 #116

What is Hillary trying to hide? senz Feb 2016 #124

LOL. Your drama gets worse each passing day. riversedge Feb 2016 #126

I'm still waiting for her "47-percent" moment . . . . Utopian Leftist Feb 2016 #131

Kick and R BeanMusical Feb 2016 #133

Transcripts....smancripts. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #134

If all who write here are truly upset about Hillarty refusing to show her transcripts Doitnow Feb 2016 #140

The more she hides them...the more it means there is something there. SoapBox Feb 2016 #143

Kick before going to bed.... kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #150

According to the rules, Republican senators Rubio and Cruz can't do paid speeches either... CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #169

K&R Mbrow Feb 2016 #170

The biggest obstacle to progressive change isn't the republicans. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #172

I'm sure she discussed Goldman Sach's secret plan to mow us all down like wheat. randome Feb 2016 #175

Biggest Deceit? Excuse me? What Planet Were You Living On 16 Years Ago? Vogon_Glory Feb 2016 #178

Then EVERYONE who gives speeches is too, huh? OhZone Feb 2016 #179

Not EVERYONE is running for president sarge43 Feb 2016 #185

Oh so wrong. many of the candidates running have given speeches. OhZone Feb 2016 #186

So what? Sinan Feb 2016 #180

Those conversations are above your pay grade, prole. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #183