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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The "PoC don't support Bernie because they don't know him" claim is actually true [View all]YCHDT
(962 posts)84. I agree, he favored the public option but favoring something isn't the end of the matter with his
leadership it was actually showing results in regards to focussing people to overcome the entrenched in congress that mattered.
I favor free college, I don't favor 2 trillion people sitting outside of McConnels window as a way to get it passed congress though.
Mitch McConnell has shown he doesn't care what Americans think.
I'll say it again, if Sanders resume was full of results like this on a small or large scale Hillary Clinton would not have a case for running for president
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The "PoC don't support Bernie because they don't know him" claim is actually true [View all]
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
OP
Yeah. I can get behind that. I've been saying he needs to reach out for the past month.
VulgarPoet
Mar 2016
#1
Two-Way Street, Comfortable with the racist they know versus the non-racist they don't know.
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2016
#61
not to mention all of the lies and distortions coming from the Clinton campaign and her supporters.
Vattel
Mar 2016
#7
.5% of Hillary's net worth equaling a bribe to her is an absurd distortion. The distortions have
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#14
Blacks AND Hispanics aren't ignorant... it's not just blacks... it's women also... If Sanders had a
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#33
Didn't SP fail in VT? I mean that kind of track record of his leadership getting results not just...
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#89
Promised to continue Obama's legacy while Sanders has called OPENLY for a "course corection" this ha
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#74
Bernie has RIGHTLY called for a course correction...and hillary has adopted most of his positions.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#91
Course correction AWAY from Obama, that was the question posed to him and that has been his retoric
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#96
The Sanders should have the strength of his convictions to say the same thing RIGHT NOW
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#115
~80% of his promises passed, that's his legacy. Sanders should show the same position as this questi
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#98
No, she'll carry on what he's started and seeing the overly obstructionist GOP congress who
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#104
wow... So there's nothing of note Obama has done? This sounds like Sanders tract on a small scale
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#112
Yes, away from the course that he inherited. Now my question, you think there's NOTHING of note that
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#116
It's a new model for Bernie and he doesn't have the connections to call people in the community
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
#40
Did you forget that the Clintons connection building started more than 25 yrs. ago?
loyalsister
Mar 2016
#51
Few if any are claiming this, Sanders not being known is what is a common thread and as the OP
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#16
As someone who wants to continue what Obama started, the same can't be said about Sanders and
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#28
Maybe he actually has some sincere interest in representing people who are economically oppressed?
loyalsister
Mar 2016
#43
Obama didn't bail out the banks, Obama didn't have FDR's or LBJ's congress either and what he did
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#71
yeap, they have a strong emotional bond with Sanders, I can see that being part of the problem
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#88
Saying only other people and cooproations have benefitted from Obama's agenda is NOT giving credit
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#103
DU has a video today about the relationship Hillary has developed with the AA community
freedom fighter jh
Mar 2016
#63
This is not true, if I need something I go get it... few PoC know what is needed from Sanders..
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#20
That would be the case if PoC needed Sanders right now, that's not the case. Sanders has NOT shown
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#18
I do, I don't think Sanders has an empirical way to fix it though not enough to take a chance on
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#72
Wow ... I don't think they are even listening to themselves, anymore ...
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2016
#77
I think your are spot on. It was a big tatical mistake to peel away from an FDR and JKF level
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#79
That too, if he'd join the DNC a year before he ran maybe it would be more authentic but this
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#90
LOL ... Really? When has that EVER been the basis of a campaign? LOL. eom.
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2016
#73
How many candidates have YOU sought out to inform yourself on their position ...
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2016
#134
I was always under the impression that it was the job of the candidate ...
etherealtruth
Mar 2016
#173
This is fair, if Sanders had been TRULY leading revolutions in the past and shown results there are
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#11
And he would have more support from the people who work with him daily if he actually was "fighting"
Jitter65
Mar 2016
#21
I agree he's catching on, but many prodded him to start earlier in places he was NOT known but he
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#30
Then it would be authentic for Sanders to constantly states this vs seemingly running from statement
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#36
Most dems think Obama has started a good thing, not something to be corrected FROM. Its like
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#39
No, I saw the interview and I've heard his critique of Obama over the years. He wanted to peel away
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#81
No, the question by Chris Hayes was pointed and the critique of Sanders has been constant until now
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#105
Hayes asked would you continue Obama's legacy, Sanders said no... that has A LOT to do with Obama
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#114
The record might be there but the result sure arent. if his leadership had been there during the ACA
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#32
No, Nancy Pelosi did not. There was a bit of support in congress for the public option.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#66
She's a part of congress, the claim is if people wanted his leadership would be there but
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#68
Bernie didn't favor the public option. He said from the begining that he was a single-payer guy.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#82
I agree, he favored the public option but favoring something isn't the end of the matter with his
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#84
His campaign isn't focusing on amendments but revolutionary passing of huge bills passed congress
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#101
And yet she's STILL never had to deal with an entrenched republic congress. Sorry, no dice.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#107
Hillary isn't calling for revolution inside her own party either, if the course is stayed and theres
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#111
My understanding is Sanders would galvanize voters to march, call and implement some other actions
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#153
Elizabeth Warren is already well known in the civil rights community for her work
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
#45
Yes, because Warren pursued policy that was actually realistic in a polarized country.
Trust Buster
Mar 2016
#58
Then that's the problem, people SHOULD be saying he is a well known force and have results to show
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#78
PoC don't blame Obama though, that's the big disconnect between Sanders and most PoC when
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#126
Calling him weak isn't warranted, calling him rightward isn't warranted either and then telling the
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#155
It's some of each - AAs who know him like Bernie. But that's still not enough.
thesquanderer
Mar 2016
#64
The hard work of continuing Obama's legacy vs calling for a course correction from an FDRJFK level
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#93
They should vote their conscience, but don't act like she's done so much and then say Bernie hasn't
onecaliberal
Mar 2016
#140
Second - no, not only about civil rights but when their minimized overtly in place of economic
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#110
For the millionth time... if Sanders' record is well known by all AAs and is considered lacking
whatchamacallit
Mar 2016
#122
Continuance of Obama legacy, Sanders said no to that on Chris Hayes and in rhetoric
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#127
Its what the DNC constituency want, that Sanders camp thought they didn't wasn't smart. They didn't
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#156
Are there any white, current US Congress members who have 'been a presence in the arena'? NT
Eric J in MN
Mar 2016
#123
They have all been deeply involved in civil rights and with the African American community
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
#143
My bad. I can see where I first used the phrase "black political agenda."
jonestonesusa
Mar 2016
#170
I don't know, black political agenda means different things to different people, but here's my take.
jonestonesusa
Mar 2016
#167
With a narrow definition of what liberal or conservative or no definition at all. Of course I'm ..
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#154