2016 Postmortem

2pooped2pop

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25. Yes she has the most experience

Reply to andrewv1 (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:57 PM

Mar 2016

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Hillary's policies turned Libya into a terrorist hell hole [View all] Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 OP

Kick (nt) bigwillq Mar 2016 #1

We're kicking this one all the way to Philly. GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #309

It should go to the convention, in both major parties bigwillq Apr 2016 #310

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #2

I guess we didn't have a President or Congress then? She made the decisions all by herself. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #203

Hillary was a leading proponent for intervening in Libya's Civil War, she persuaded Obama Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #207

"To my way of thinking there was something unPresidential with that kind of reaction....." pablo_marmol Apr 2016 #253

I have been wondering why we haven't had more discussions on this Samantha Apr 2016 #262

she took full credit in her emails amborin Apr 2016 #278

K&R. Warmongering is evil, killing the earth but making a whole lot of rich people wealthier. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #283

Republican foreign policy will do that LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #284

Honduras panader0 Mar 2016 #3

Haiti. Iraq. Syria. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #66

You can add Ukraine AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #120

Kissinger and Kagan are doing far more than endorsing Clinton. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #229

scary amborin Apr 2016 #266

Is that the 2-fer they talk about when mentioning Hillary? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #78

Yes, one of the emails is about this I think. n/t 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #4

She bragged about it herself on TV Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #5

Wow. Classy as always as her supporters like to say about us. 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #6

What? polly7 Mar 2016 #8

No I think u misunderstood 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #24

Oh, I'm sorry. polly7 Mar 2016 #27

Nah, I'm not clear. My mind gets ahead of my texting 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #31

Nope, it was me. polly7 Mar 2016 #32

polly and pooped, I like both of your posts. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #80

:) polly7 Mar 2016 #92

Me too! peacebird Mar 2016 #112

You guys are cute. :) polly7 Mar 2016 #149

Lol thanks 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #142

I actually found that video more disgusting nichomachus Mar 2016 #37

If it had been Bush talking about Saddam that way, EVERY DUer would be disgusted by it n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #81

LOL Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #139

horrifying amborin Apr 2016 #260

Do you hear and see that sadistic tape during which ladjf Mar 2016 #93

.... CentralMass Mar 2016 #117

Mirthful laughter and delighted hand clapping. bjo59 Apr 2016 #201

Sick. DiehardLiberal Apr 2016 #225

A bayonet? I read shortly after it happened it was a gun and the person holding it pulled Samantha Apr 2016 #273

First time I saw it I thought "psychopath". HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #301

I missed Hillary not being on stage at last night’s debate…. andrewv1 Mar 2016 #7

Yes she has the most experience 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #25

You know I just opened this topic again & I thought one of the replies was a Dick Cheney quote... andrewv1 Mar 2016 #53

It's also kinda scary. Duval Mar 2016 #59

And she's got more balls than all of them pdsimdars Mar 2016 #82

Smarmy, the booger eating puke...AKA Ted Cruz. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #128

True....In the newest CNN Poll he beats Hillary barely but does win....Bernie? andrewv1 Mar 2016 #133

I saw some polls like that too. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #190

Good point. Her militarist credentials are second to none. Vattel Mar 2016 #195

She's a friggin' geopoitical genius. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #9

It is because her motivation is based upon an alternative agenda than the one presented. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #20

Well, she learned from the master, war criminal Kissinger. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #85

I'll post this again. randome Mar 2016 #10

You spelled Benghazi wrong. You've got an extra 'n' in there: Benghanzi Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #11

Thanks! The article wasn't in text I could copy and paste so I had to transcribe it myself. randome Mar 2016 #14

no prob Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #318

And 'I'll post this again'. polly7 Mar 2016 #13

So France, Britain and the Arab League were co-conspirators for PNAC? randome Mar 2016 #16

LMFAO. seriously. You must think people here are very naive and stupid. polly7 Mar 2016 #23

No, not really. The invasion of Iraq helped create them. randome Mar 2016 #33

What wars were taking place in the Mideast directly before the invasion of Iraq??? polly7 Mar 2016 #35

Afghanistan? Home base to the Taliban? randome Mar 2016 #36

Afghanistan was at war with someone? Who?? nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #38

I'm not sure what you mean about what wars were taking place in the Mideast before Iraq. randome Mar 2016 #43

That's a lie. Qaddafi was not threatening a bloodbath. Pure, filthy propaganda. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #47

Well, that's what the NYT article says. randome Mar 2016 #51

Why did Bush have a 'coalition of the willing' to destroy Iraq? Come on, you can do it .... nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #52

Whatever you think of Clinton, I don't see how you can view her as equivalent to Bush, Jr. randome Mar 2016 #57

Are you claiming she was unaware of PNAC's agenda or the '7 countries in 5 years' plan polly7 Mar 2016 #62

Being aware of PNAC and trying to stop a bloodbath in Libya can be two entirely different things. randome Mar 2016 #74

I don't give anyone a fucking benefit of a doubt when they're being advised by a PNAC polly7 Mar 2016 #84

You are trying to have a conversation Aerows Mar 2016 #182

What did we gain from Libya other than saving some lives? randome Mar 2016 #67

Because their leaders are rich off of NeoLiberalism. newthinking Mar 2016 #55

But Qaddafi truly WAS fighting the Arab Spring uprising and threatened a bloodbath. randome Mar 2016 #61

Saved some lives??? polly7 Mar 2016 #70

Did you think neocons were just here in THIS country? Lol, I think you're just kidding. The Western sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #162

Qaddafi was a friend of Tony Blair Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #164

You said the ME was such a mess before Iraq. polly7 Mar 2016 #48

We definitely made things worse by invading a country that didn't threaten us. randome Mar 2016 #56

Example of what I was saying before, polly7 Aerows Mar 2016 #183

from your long informative post questionseverything Mar 2016 #72

Exactly. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #77

'Always' boots in Afghanistan. polly7 Mar 2016 #147

BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.. pangaia Mar 2016 #96

It's sad to think that can actually be how some people think of these things Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #172

Yes it is sad. And human beings pay the price. pangaia Mar 2016 #173

Are you SERIOUS? The founder of PNAC was an adviser to Hillary Clinton CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #68

Thank you! nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #91

DISASTER CAPITALISM pangaia Mar 2016 #100

Please, Hillary, for the good of mankind, mia Mar 2016 #193

Why? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #223

OMG! "The only person who can stop this is Bernie Sanders" Jitter65 Apr 2016 #204

Bernie Sanders is not a friend of Netanyahoo. But Clinton is. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #230

On The Contrary, PNAC Founders Appointed by Clinton to High Positions in Her State Department Justina For Justice Mar 2016 #101

Did they die? AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #121

Impressive post 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #28

You're welcome. polly7 Mar 2016 #30

What freaks me out is people who think Qadaffi, Hussein, Assad, the Shah, the Taliban... yallerdawg Mar 2016 #83

Republicans were probably worse Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #177

Thank you polly7 Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #41

I agree with you completely. Economic independence and empowering polly7 Mar 2016 #44

Certainly she is. Especially given that she brought Victoria Nuland in as Assistant Secretary of newthinking Mar 2016 #58

+1,000,000. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #64

Excellent post. "PAX Americana" will continue if HRC has the capability newthinking Mar 2016 #50

Excellent compilation of facts and documentation. bvar22 Mar 2016 #98

+ a whole bunch excellent post thx nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #99

Thanks so much, very interesting! I have to leave but will bookmark this for later. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #109

polly7, I want to thank for educating me on Libya. Your info is invaluable! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #232

Oh, you're so welcome, Peace Patriot. polly7 Apr 2016 #236

HRC persuaded Obama. And ignored opportunities to de-escalate. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #75

and deliberately obstructed the peace process amborin Apr 2016 #295

And as all who knew about it say . . . she talked him into it. It was HER push. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #88

yes, and she took credit in her emails amborin Apr 2016 #269

I bet Obama regrets having Clinton as SOS. Vattel Mar 2016 #12

Yeah for real. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #21

I know I do. 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #29

Why? Because she "tricked" him into these things? LOL Get real. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #124

Did I say that she tricked him? Vattel Mar 2016 #125

please do some reading and learn about HRC's leading role, and she took full credit in her emails amborin Apr 2016 #259

Those troubled by "horrible atrocities" apparently never visited this paradise when Ghadaffi ran it. brooklynite Mar 2016 #15

That sounds exactly like people who defend the Iraq invasion on the basis that Saddam was awful Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #17

And would have shrugged their shoulders, no doubt, when he delivered the promised 'bloodbath'. randome Mar 2016 #18

DU'er 'mainer' was in Libya traveling when Qaddafi ran it. polly7 Mar 2016 #22

+1,000 nichomachus Mar 2016 #42

Qaddafi was a bad guy but the USA supports bad guys all over the world as long as they serve power Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #45

I knew about the bank thing but NOT about Libya's water supply. pangaia Mar 2016 #106

You're welcome, mine are just a small amount I'd kept in my journal. There were many, many great polly7 Mar 2016 #114

Unbelievable.. well Not so much. pangaia Mar 2016 #126

Thanks for the mention. Yes, I was in Libya mainer Apr 2016 #210

Hi mainer polly7 Apr 2016 #217

And how many times did you visit it? nichomachus Mar 2016 #40

Regime change and flooding weaponry does not do the people of those countries any favors newthinking Mar 2016 #65

I did. I was in Libya in 2006. mainer Apr 2016 #209

So when are we invading North Korea? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #288

yes, but Syria, too! It was her idea to implement regime amborin Mar 2016 #19

It's true, she pushed for regime change in Syria and still is doing it. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #26

wiki leaks has an email wherein the state dept doesn't want Syrians to blame regime change amborin Mar 2016 #34

Qaddafi's 2nd son, Saif-al-Islam, was in line to succeed him. Saif is Western-educated, well-spoken virgista Mar 2016 #39

Funny; that's what people said about Bashir Assad... brooklynite Apr 2016 #249

Kickrec kristopher Mar 2016 #46

Senator Clinton is not leadership material Agony Mar 2016 #49

She was planning to run for president the whole time she was Sec of State. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #54

If you are an enemy of Israel, Hillary will bomb and destroy your country / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #60

Bizarro World Hillary bring love and kindness to Libya! Karmadillo Mar 2016 #63

Judgement, judgement, judgement pdsimdars Mar 2016 #69

I really think it's too generous to chalk it up to bad judgement Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #180

especially given the Libya banking system issue amborin Apr 2016 #270

So much of this I didn't know. Duval Mar 2016 #71

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #73

Hillary supporters keep posting lies and distortions of Bernie's history and positions pdsimdars Mar 2016 #76

Our country's foreign policies are the President's policies. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #79

she talked him into it Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #90

I don't think of our President in such weak terms. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #94

Lies and propaganda. Just as with Iraq. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #95

Whatevs. It's in the emails. She's taken credit for it. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #97

The buck stops at the top. We Democrats do not refer to the Iraq War as "Powell's War". Trust Buster Mar 2016 #103

We would if he bragged about starting it then ran for president Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #104

please read up, this is inaccurate; Amnesty In'l contradicts this; HRC pressured Obama to bomb & too amborin Apr 2016 #275

Thanks for posting this. K&R eom Purveyor Mar 2016 #86

I think the main thing she was concerned with is: Did it increase arms sales in the region? LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #87

Oh, absolutely. Arms being used to commit war crimes all over the region. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #89

probably a big factor amborin Apr 2016 #297

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #102

Let's not get carried away. It wasn't that great and was still a dictatorship Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #111

Thank you! polly7 Mar 2016 #119

How would it have turned out without intervention? JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #105

How would WHAT have turned out? nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #107

The current situation in Libya. JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #113

There was no 'situation' in Libya at the time, until the west created one. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #115

The situation in Libya has always been fluid. JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #118

How is the situation in the U.S.? polly7 Mar 2016 #123

We don't have to defend Qaddafi to oppose reckless intervention Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #129

I am defending what he did for his people and tried to do for all of those in Africa. polly7 Mar 2016 #132

OK I honestly don't know much about that, but my main point on that is that Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #134

The info I am describing was stated in many news sources at the time. polly7 Mar 2016 #135

Nice side step JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #140

Nice running away from a perfectly legitimate question. polly7 Mar 2016 #141

Hillary Clinton reviews Henry Kissinger’s ‘World Order’ nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #143

You're the one with the conspiracy theories. Everything about all this was well-known years ago. polly7 Mar 2016 #153

Didn't read it. JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #157

Good for you. polly7 Mar 2016 #158

Yeah, the snippets of that, that the major news organizations offered, were eye opening at the time Babel_17 Mar 2016 #176

I just brought it here from leveymg's post. polly7 Mar 2016 #178

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Mar 2016 #108

So, let's understand this...A Candidate that has an almost 60% unfavorable rating with the public... andrewv1 Mar 2016 #130

All that "unfavorable" BS and yet she's still 700+ delegates ahead with only about 600.... George II Apr 2016 #212

You do know the unfavorable ratings are from all Americans? tabasco Apr 2016 #285

When one goes into the voting booth, the choice is the two candidates by name/party, not.... George II Apr 2016 #287

Chanting "scoreboard" does not answer the question why her negatives are so high. tabasco Apr 2016 #289

No one is chanting "scoreboard", in fact no one is even chanting and no one mentioned "scoreboard" George II Apr 2016 #290

You are being purposefully obtuse tabasco Apr 2016 #292

IMO,it is clear that "The Dumbing Down of America" has already happened. ladjf Apr 2016 #211

K & R! SoapBox Mar 2016 #110

No reason to trust her, and plenty of reasons not to trust her. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #131

Ouch. She could retire and spend time with the grand kids. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #138

Iraq. Honduras. Syria. Haiti. zentrum Mar 2016 #116

Foreign policy was supposed to be her strength Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #127

Kick (nt) bigwillq Mar 2016 #122

K&R Paka Mar 2016 #136

Blame it on the Libyans. Never admit bad judgment. nt thereismore Mar 2016 #137

Maybe they need to learn to accept the gift of freedom Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #144

I can't even... obtuse comes to mind. thereismore Mar 2016 #148

The truth of the matter is ... salinsky Mar 2016 #145

No, that is 'not' the truth of the matter. Libya was doing fine - too fine. ;) polly7 Mar 2016 #146

And, then there was a civil war ... salinsky Mar 2016 #154

Yes, those western funded and trained rebels .... things did get bad after that. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #155

''We came. We saw. He died.'' Octafish Mar 2016 #150

Reminds me a lot of this one: polly7 Mar 2016 #151

That suit is shinier than I was expecting Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #160

Mosty qualified presidential candidate? Nope. Not by my standards. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #152

Most disqualified is more like it Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #156

Be fair: Ted Cruz is still running... Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #165

What happened to all the Libya cheerleaders here who attacked those of us who were sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #159

Beats me Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #161

They told us we were trying to deny the Libyan people the wonderful future of freeeeeedom sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #163

"to know if they feel GUILTY for what has been done" Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #199

She is a walking, talking, foreign policy disaster. But shhhhh... let's leave that to the Skwmom Mar 2016 #166

And that's why her campaign has been so negative too Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #168

scary; her judgement is so flawed and she is so reckless; millions died amborin May 2016 #314

emails show she took full credit; she ignored advice of Biden & Gates not to bomb Libya; amborin Mar 2016 #167

Hillary was trying to beef up her presidential resume with a few bombings Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #169

+1,000,000 DiehardLiberal Apr 2016 #226

Except these were not Hillary's policies alone. BUT Jitter65 Mar 2016 #170

Trump and Hillary I guess attended their conference this year Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #191

And if Hillary is elected President, we can look forward John Poet Mar 2016 #171

She's got a lot of experience in that area. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #174

I'm Sure Henry The K Approves Wholeheartedly... AzDar Mar 2016 #175

Probably so. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #179

And Khadafi was better? Tarc Mar 2016 #181

In this case it turned out to be a huge disaster. A real human tragedy of epic proportions. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #184

It already was a disaster Tarc Mar 2016 #185

It seems like your understanding of this issue is incredibly shallow. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #186

I'll let the pictures speak for themselves Tarc Mar 2016 #187

The "situation" in Libya prior to Gaddafi's fall: UK Guardian mainer Apr 2016 #214

The CIA and our various allies have done worse, before and since. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #208

Better than the humanitarian disaster that is now Libya? mainer Apr 2016 #216

Any nation is better off when their terrorist-funding leader is taken out Tarc Apr 2016 #218

Tell that to the thousands of dead since Hillary acted mainer Apr 2016 #219

Perhaps you can go pitch your Khadaffi Pity Party to the relatives of the Pan Am 103 bombing Tarc Apr 2016 #220

Ick. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #228

The pity party should be for the mess that is now Libya mainer Apr 2016 #234

Hip hip horray indeed Tarc Apr 2016 #239

And those were rebels who'd already bombed police stations polly7 Apr 2016 #227

Posthumous progressive love for the dictator Ghaddafi makes me sick. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #188

Hillary made the situation much much worse. The USA can't go around the world overthrowing dictators Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #189

UK Guardian's article about Libya's investment potential mainer Apr 2016 #215

k&r Electric Monk Mar 2016 #192

She has criticized Obama for his "Don't do stupid shit" policy Vattel Mar 2016 #194

Naming Hillary as SoS may have been his greatest error Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #197

She is itching for regime change in Syria, starting with a no fly zone to bait them into action. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #196

She has been pushing for that the whole time. It's been a disaster. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #198

are you saying it like its a bad thing? reddread Apr 2016 #200

Well, the destruction wrought by the Clintons and their terrible policies didn't stop at our shores. Skwmom Apr 2016 #202

Highly recommended azmom Apr 2016 #205

kicking amborin Apr 2016 #206

Libya 2006. Photos mainer Apr 2016 #213

Whoa ... I missed this. polly7 Apr 2016 #241

How long until she admits to it being another "mistake" in her "foreign policy" experience resume? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #221

Ridiculous Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #222

Obama did not want to touch LIbya; HRC pressured Obama, against advice of Gates, Biden, etc. amborin Apr 2016 #224

Why the hell would her shitty choices be any different of she were POTUS? Bonobo Apr 2016 #231

Riddle me this: DetlefK Apr 2016 #233

Riddle ME this. Yet another illegal 'regime-change of a sovereign nation and its people polly7 Apr 2016 #237

Sooo... You would have been okay with the libyan army killing the rebels? DetlefK Apr 2016 #243

Heh .... polly7 Apr 2016 #244

Which would have meant a massacre, obviously. DetlefK Apr 2016 #245

Those 'rebels' who'd already murdered police, polly7 Apr 2016 #246

It's easy to criticize in retrospect. What would you do if the situation repeats in another country? DetlefK Apr 2016 #247

My motto - don't invent scenarios for the destruction of millions polly7 Apr 2016 #248

Do you realize that your proposal demands silent approval of mass-murder??? DetlefK Apr 2016 #250

Why is it the US always seems to fund mass murdering dictators when they are serving the empire? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #252

Nice try at deflection. I'll go for it anyway. DetlefK Apr 2016 #258

this is a misrepresentation of the facts amborin Apr 2016 #238

I cannot fail to note that you do not attempt to refute my "misrepresentation". DetlefK Apr 2016 #242

Here's a good place to start: Maedhros Apr 2016 #302

"We came. We saw. He died." (Gleeful laughter) Chilling. mainer Apr 2016 #235

That laugh seems like something a psychopath would do, not a president or secretary of state. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #251

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #264

kicking amborin Apr 2016 #240

This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Apr 2016 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #255

There is excellent information in this thread. senz Apr 2016 #256

Thanks. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #261

"Everybody understands Gaddafi is a thug and murderer," Sanders said to Fox News. . . . ucrdem Apr 2016 #257

Hillary encouraged Obama to arm the rebels and take down the Libyan government Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #265

more here: amborin Apr 2016 #267

Thanks Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #298

Condemning Gaddafi is not the same as advocating intervention to overthrow him Fozzledick Apr 2016 #272

that's true Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #317

condemn him, but that's not the same as saying: let's bomb Libya; HRC sold the Algeria regime amborin Apr 2016 #281

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #263

Cheese Sandwich, she's a woman and should get a free pass on the carnage she caused in Libya. Skwmom Apr 2016 #268

kick amborin Apr 2016 #271

HRC has been a foreign policy disaster amborin Apr 2016 #274

Clearly Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #277

But. Wait. What she did is exactly that which makes her "more qualified" 2banon Apr 2016 #276

she's more qualified to keep starting wars and regime change amborin Apr 2016 #279

They keep saying 'most qualified' like we're hiring a manager for our restaurant or something Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #280

Didn't realize that the SOS had such massive powers. I guess Sanders better pick carefully, since anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #282

No but if read those 2 articles from the links in the OP you'll see Hillary was #1 in urging Obama Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #293

Those would be President Obama's policies, then. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #286

only by a huge stretch; she pressured Obama and went against everyone's advice: Gates, Biden, etc... amborin Apr 2016 #294

...and yet, President Obama was on board. Orsino Apr 2016 #296

he delegated to her, and he was pressured, and acquiesced against his better judgement amborin Apr 2016 #300

Delegation of authority, not responsibility. Orsino Apr 2016 #303

please read up on it, amborin Apr 2016 #304

It will not be possible to say that one of them is "guilty" while the other is not. Orsino Apr 2016 #305

But Hillary led the effort on this, took credit, and gave a mission accomplished speech in Libya Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #306

I'm certainly not exempting her from blame... Orsino Apr 2016 #307

Again, after Iraq it's that unqualified thingy.... ViseGrip Apr 2016 #291

If this doesn't disqualify a person from being president, nothing does. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #315

I find it amusing that the OP keeps kicking his TWO month-old thread Tarc May 2016 #316

time for a kick amborin Apr 2016 #299

It will get worse if she ever becomes POTUS nt kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #308

reminding everyone of Hillary's "experience" amborin Apr 2016 #311

kicking amborin May 2016 #312

kick amborin May 2016 #313