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2016 Postmortem

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Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:50 AM Mar 2016

As a woman who fought for gender equality in the 1970s let me define sexist for you.... [View all]

A sexist is when someone does not think that men and women are equal.

Let me explain it in other words...

When Hillary and Bernie are up on that debate stage, there are 2 candidates running for President of the United States.
It is irrelevant that one is a man and one is a woman.

So when Bernie says "excuse me let me finish, you'll have your turn to tell your story" - that is not sexist.

What IS sexist is when people say - oh my gosh! can you believe he said that to her.

Bernie would have said the same exact thing to Joe Biden if it was Biden standing next to him and kept trying to interrupt him.
The rules are not different just because Hillary is a woman

And for those of you that say Hillary should be treated differently than Joe Biden would've been treated if it was him on the stage instead of her - that is the most sexist thing you could possibly say.

We fought for equality & not special treatment for women.

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THANK YOU for saying it. elleng Mar 2016 #1
I am really really tired of this discussion. I had to say it. jillan Mar 2016 #7
So am I tired of it. elleng Mar 2016 #8
Truth is, it's not *really* about sexism Matariki Mar 2016 #53
Bingo! It's very hard to attack him on the issues. RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #77
Hillary and Bill's trade deal will effectively replace laws forbidding discrimination against women Baobab Mar 2016 #154
Those are my thoughts as well. Mira Mar 2016 #115
It's a despicable demonstration of misdirection RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #159
Righto. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #190
UM LeFleur1 Mar 2016 #219
Trying to get cooper's attention so he can speak is NOT rude, elleng Mar 2016 #221
Since There Were Only Two of Them... LeFleur1 Mar 2016 #234
Thank you and I agree completely. TDale313 Mar 2016 #2
I'm not a woman. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #172
Thank you! noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #3
I feel the same way you do. Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #213
+10000000! flor-de-jasmim Mar 2016 #4
You and your appeals to reason and logic Mufaddal Mar 2016 #5
Thank you for bringing sanity to Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #214
Oh, they have to pretend to have something to be outraged about. Poutrage. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #6
Particularly when Hillary got trounced in the debate BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #18
Overuse of the woman card is, IMO, potentially very detrimental to women, esp those who need jobs. merrily Mar 2016 #9
"I'm as tough as any man but I am a fragile flower who must be treated gently" Armstead Mar 2016 #10
I 'wish' it were just her campaign, elleng Mar 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #133
Well her campaign is consistent at least. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #41
NO, it is not being a fragile flower to fight sexism treestar Mar 2016 #132
My idea of feminism is that civility and manners apply equally to both genders Armstead Mar 2016 #144
Losing feminist crudentials BECAUSE OF BERNIE????? liberalnarb Mar 2016 #199
+1 Bubzer Mar 2016 #208
Yeah, fragile flower my ass. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #174
Feeling a Double Bern/Burn Tonight noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #11
Especially this one because it is everything we fought against and it is so sad jillan Mar 2016 #12
Yes noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #21
Hell, I had to see if this was the Bernie forum, since no Hillary supporters angstlessk Mar 2016 #14
So what if we all agree on DU? oasis Mar 2016 #15
Standing up for yourself while being interrupted is not the same as a snarky comment. jillan Mar 2016 #22
We'll see how it plays out. nt oasis Mar 2016 #29
Is that to be read "we'll wail and gnash our teeth hoping to influence the way it plays out?" Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #107
Maybe but look at who is president today Armstead Mar 2016 #146
Thank you thank you thank you BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #16
it might bother people more than usual bc of his accent and voice 6chars Mar 2016 #61
Folks who are 'bothered' by a regional accent are bigots. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #109
Absolutely! retrowire Mar 2016 #17
It just seems hypocritical of a woman looking down from a pedestal of her own making A Simple Game Mar 2016 #100
This! n/t Political_Junkie Mar 2016 #106
Special treatment implies inequality. What we fought for in jwirr Mar 2016 #164
Plenty of inequality existed in the 60s and 70s kcr Mar 2016 #167
I didn't say we won the fight for equality but that it was what jwirr Mar 2016 #171
Whatever "we" are fighting for, it apparently goes right out the door during primary season kcr Mar 2016 #173
That is exactly what to OP said about Hillary speaking over jwirr Mar 2016 #176
And guess what? kcr Mar 2016 #177
How is it okay to think Bernie was being sexist? Bubzer Mar 2016 #211
What? kcr Mar 2016 #229
Thank you for clarifying that! I certainly prefere it being a misunderstanding than the alternative. Bubzer Mar 2016 #233
Yup, yup, yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #19
If Hillary can't handle this kind of treatment in a debate Kalidurga Mar 2016 #20
Putin would eat her for lunch! n/t Herman4747 Mar 2016 #111
Reminiscent of Claire Underwood and Viktor Petrov, in a way VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #168
I'm a man I have no say in this manner. JRLeft Mar 2016 #23
Im a man and I agree with the original post 100% Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #83
I am a woman and I Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #215
I didn't think he was sexist, just grumpy as usual. ecstatic Mar 2016 #24
I get grumpy too when people interrupt me right in the middle of a sentence. jillan Mar 2016 #26
I don't get this 'grumpy' charge, either, elleng Mar 2016 #27
Maybe ecstatic Mar 2016 #30
So am I from Brooklyn. elleng Mar 2016 #34
If you think that is bad madokie Mar 2016 #68
This! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #25
+1 to that AhhMass Mar 2016 #116
Going to Bed noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #28
Good night to you. Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #216
Thank you noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #220
Absolutely! Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #31
Thank you. Very sad that it had to be said here on a supposedly liberal website. Disgusting. haikugal Mar 2016 #32
knr ...Those who seek to divide, will never find unity... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #33
Thank you! AzDar Mar 2016 #35
Regardless, it's rude BainsBane Mar 2016 #36
So I can assume you made the same complaint when Hillary pointed in the faces of BLM activists cui bono Mar 2016 #40
"playing the gender card." BainsBane Mar 2016 #46
You cannot take the high road on this because you have played the gender card. cui bono Mar 2016 #207
It's "rude" to ask her to stop interrupting him? John Poet Mar 2016 #45
He was interrupting her BainsBane Mar 2016 #50
Finger wagging is not an interruption CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #62
Agreed nt Rebkeh Mar 2016 #67
Or to summon the waiter...actually I love this little tick of his. bklyncowgirl Mar 2016 #101
In this specific exchange beedle Mar 2016 #91
He never interrupted her at all arikara Mar 2016 #175
Please provide the number of interruptions. Perogie Mar 2016 #188
What's rude is when someone keeps trying to interrupt jillan Mar 2016 #49
It is indeed rude BainsBane Mar 2016 #54
So the only acceptable response to Clinton's constant attempts to hog airtime is to wait quietly? Cowpunk Mar 2016 #103
Actually, that is what he was doing most of the night. Waiting quietly, waving his finger at the Gary 50 Mar 2016 #108
i wanted to hear sanders finish his point and was glad when he did redruddyred Mar 2016 #110
No...it is not rude noiretextatique Mar 2016 #85
Damn right! Who the hell is he to interrupt the interruption? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #97
No, Hillary's constant interrupting was rude. backscatter712 Mar 2016 #148
What's rude is constantly interrupting in order to dominate the debate Matariki Mar 2016 #186
why don't you find it rude Perogie Mar 2016 #187
What is rude Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #202
She was the rude one. Didn't she ever learn it was crass and unkind to interrupt someone Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #203
It's obvious to everyone that when Hillary can't win on the issues she plays this gender card. jalan48 Mar 2016 #37
Yes! cui bono Mar 2016 #38
As a feminist who fought for sexual equality in the 70s let me thank you for your great . . Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #39
Thank you! Kittycat Mar 2016 #42
Indeed. "Sexist" is to demand that Bernie must defer to Hillary John Poet Mar 2016 #43
Bah you just a Gwhittey Mar 2016 #44
I am enjoying Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #218
They confuse me with their feminism sometimes Rebkeh Mar 2016 #47
Kicked and frigging rec'd! You got it, and them that don't ... don't because they refuse to get it! ebayfool Mar 2016 #48
Thank you. Matariki Mar 2016 #51
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #52
Pushing the "story" to ensure that women are aware... Beartracks Mar 2016 #55
Oh the irony! Lol jillan Mar 2016 #56
Thank you. PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #57
Mic drop Fairgo Mar 2016 #58
Yes, I agree. Cleita Mar 2016 #59
Many have argued right here on DU that sexism only works one way Major Nikon Mar 2016 #138
Yeah, I know. Those same are the ones who think women Cleita Mar 2016 #141
Nicely put! K and R Quixote1818 Mar 2016 #60
Exactly. Thank you. 840high Mar 2016 #63
Which is why a desire to finally see the first woman president colorado_ufo Mar 2016 #64
Woman for Bernie Here. zentrum Mar 2016 #65
K&R! Hatchling Mar 2016 #66
Eloquent. dchill Mar 2016 #69
Sounds like Hillary is playing the victim again too. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #70
Bingo...as I woman noiretextatique Mar 2016 #86
I don't know if you remember but Bill and the rest of his DLC Dems used to do that too.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #139
I do remember noiretextatique Mar 2016 #149
Boils down to, "I'm gonna tell on you!" to a non-existent parent. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #157
LOL...it garners sympathy from some noiretextatique Mar 2016 #163
thank you! KT2000 Mar 2016 #71
Preach it, sister! Duppers Mar 2016 #72
Completely agree. Bassomar Mar 2016 #73
Thank you for saying what needed to be said, jillan! senz Mar 2016 #74
I just need to say again how much I love your post Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #75
Good post! And you'll have to excuse them... RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #76
Nice post. It IS the new trope though. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #78
Logged in just to Rec. and OH SNAP this. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #79
Well said; I agree 100%. K&R. n/t ms liberty Mar 2016 #80
It's amazing that they want it both ways. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #81
You should read some of Sanders writings in the seventies. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #82
And some of Clinton's videos tazkcmo Mar 2016 #104
It's not sexist to treat a woman disrespectfully, but it IS sexist to call someone out for doing it? EffieBlack Mar 2016 #84
Hillary is supposedly sooo experienced noiretextatique Mar 2016 #87
Who says she can't handle herself? I haven't heard her complain about this - it's an observation EffieBlack Mar 2016 #94
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #180
Thank you very much! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #92
+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #119
How is it disrespectful for him TM99 Mar 2016 #179
Very well spoken, Jillan!!!!!! Kick!!!! kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #88
THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES OVER!!!!!!!! nt magical thyme Mar 2016 #89
EXACTLY marions ghost Mar 2016 #90
As a feminist who is nonetheless fond of chivalry.. lostnfound Mar 2016 #93
major snap. thank you jillian!! nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #95
I think you've hit on a very important point. Vinca Mar 2016 #96
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #98
430 as of right now. Zorra Mar 2016 #185
That sounds like a record! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #192
Thanks, jillan. Regressives just can't seem to grasp what Benevolent Sexism is. Zorra Mar 2016 #99
"Benevolent sexism"... Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #162
Thank you for your post! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #226
K&R deutsey Mar 2016 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author debunction.junction Mar 2016 #105
K&R Punkingal Mar 2016 #112
adage from my youth: "You interrupt, you will be reprimanded...it is not good or proper manners." islandmkl Mar 2016 #113
Excellent and spot on Mira Mar 2016 #114
"that is the most sexist thing you could possibly say" dana_b Mar 2016 #117
This coming from the HRC campaign? snort Mar 2016 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #120
It's about time someone put that myth to rest. Feminism is for special treatment kcr Mar 2016 #121
THANK YOU FOR THAT... pangaia Mar 2016 #122
They've been trying to paint Sanders as a sexist since the onset of this campaign CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #123
^^^ This! ^^^ SoapBox Mar 2016 #152
Preach it, sister. malthaussen Mar 2016 #124
The real problem: HeartoftheMidwest Mar 2016 #125
That's kind of the strange thing w0nderer Mar 2016 #201
Agreed. HeartoftheMidwest Mar 2016 #228
was discussing this after posting with a buddy w0nderer Mar 2016 #231
kick UglyGreed Mar 2016 #126
Thank you, jillan! Octafish Mar 2016 #127
This is what Hillarians live for ... earthside Mar 2016 #128
Her supporters and surrogates have nothing else, their candidate has been a sell out Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #129
I wish I could rec this 100000000000 times!! Bravo!! Avalux Mar 2016 #130
sorry I just loathe men saying let me finish treestar Mar 2016 #131
mirror your comment...sub 'women' in your headline... islandmkl Mar 2016 #135
Consistency is not their strong suit whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #155
he was the one insisting he gets to finish treestar Mar 2016 #230
As a woman and a feminist, I 100% support the OP. avaistheone1 Mar 2016 #134
K&R! This is just common sense sammythecat Mar 2016 #136
from another veteran of the '70's gender fight annabanana Mar 2016 #137
According to her supporters, she's running for Victim-In-Chief, essentially. closeupready Mar 2016 #140
And which side is constantly talking about how they are the victims of a conspiracy BainsBane Mar 2016 #142
I'm not saying there is NO sexism at base of any criticisms leveled at her. closeupready Mar 2016 #145
THANK YOU!! ellennelle Mar 2016 #143
Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to say in another thread. Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #147
Thank you! It is so nice to hear this from a Hillary supporter. Let them bicker all they want - jillan Mar 2016 #156
Thanks for this. elleng Mar 2016 #170
A perfect Tweet... SoapBox Mar 2016 #150
A-fucking-men!!! Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #151
A+ ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #153
Y'all seem to think that Hillary is too bossy and shrill ... salinsky Mar 2016 #158
Thank you! What Hillary and her fans are doing is setting Feminism back 40 years Lorien Mar 2016 #160
Voting for a woman because she's a woman is the same as voting for a man because he's a man. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #161
Though, calling someone.. aidbo Mar 2016 #225
K&R! grntuscarora Mar 2016 #165
GREAT Post SDJay Mar 2016 #166
With everything that's at stake, this is pure horseshit. Maybe Hillary should let SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #169
So first Bernie gets to interrupt wildeyed Mar 2016 #178
Sooooo when did Bernie Interrupt? Phlem Mar 2016 #182
K & R DocMac Mar 2016 #181
Spot on, thanks for this valid post! n/t Paper Roses Mar 2016 #183
K&R leftcoastmountains Mar 2016 #184
Well I guess that means we should all vote for Bernie because we all know now that a woman president Akicita Mar 2016 #189
Amen to that! ybbor Mar 2016 #191
Exactly. THAT is feminism! vanboggie Mar 2016 #193
K&R Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #194
Dog Whistle elljay Mar 2016 #195
That one question about religion when Hillary said she prayed at the same church as the jillan Mar 2016 #198
BRAVA! Raster Mar 2016 #196
Sexist is when gender is used to gain advantage. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #197
K&R n/t w0nderer Mar 2016 #200
Wow, jillan. Congrats on your post. I rarely see so many recs! Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #204
Excellent! ozone_man Mar 2016 #205
THANK YOU! I too was on the front lines in the 1970s KauaiK Mar 2016 #206
HERE! HERE! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #209
Oh my GOD! He shushed Joe Biden! How dare he! Can you even freakin' imagine that? LOL n/t brewens Mar 2016 #210
I know what real sexism is... Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #212
Bit ironic PatrynXX Mar 2016 #217
K&R Babel_17 Mar 2016 #222
Well said. Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #223
Proud to be rec number 512. aidbo Mar 2016 #224
You said what I've been thinking passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #227
Thank you K&R myrna minx Mar 2016 #232
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