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2016 Postmortem

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forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:28 PM Mar 2016

I think we need to face facts regarding Bernie as a candidate [View all]

I believe Bernie is a superior candidate on policy to Hillary Clinton. I believe his economic platform has a broad appeal to every single working-class American. I think America needs to move to the left and fast (people don't realize how right-wing our political scene until you start looking overseas).

But elections are about winning, and winning is, not just about policy (sadly), but about tone, communication, packaging and messaging. Bernie Sanders is terrible at this stuff. It's his policy and platform that is driving the enthusiasm, not the candidate himself. Run Obama with Bernie's platform and he'd be unstoppable because Obama is a communicator and Bernie is not. I'm not a voter who is really concerned with tone but even I'm having a weekly cringe moment every week from his campaign. He's just not ready for a national campaign, and there's honestly no excuse.

I honestly think he has a bunch of advisors who are from the Reddit crowd who bitch about "identity politics" and "SJWs" and think he doesn't have to specifically talk to demographic groups because his economic message will carry the day (Tad Devine just seems like the kind of guy who's posting on Reddit about how SJWs are oppressing him). And hey, you can think that, I think class is the big driver of everything wrong in American society, but that doesn't mean you don't have to speak to the specific concerns of groups, talk to them in their communities, learn about them. I think stuff like representation is sometimes overblown, but it does matter, and even when Bernie looked strong on these issues, it was always reactive, not proactive. Either way, he's not communicating well, and he's either not tweaking his message or he's flailing while trying to tweak it.

I hope future progressive campaigns learn from this. You can sell a progressive economic platform, but not the way Bernie has done. I still hope he wins, but his severe shortcomings as a candidate have become more and more apparent as the process has gone along.

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Cool story Kalidurga Mar 2016 #1
-1 Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #9
Show me the rest of Hillary's big wins Kalidurga Mar 2016 #13
As they say in sports, "Look at the scoreboard." Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #17
No one says that who goes on to win. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #18
They ONLY say that when the game is over but there's still time on the clock. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #22
I see you still haven't any idea where Hillary is going to pull big wins. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #41
Pete fucking Kozma Gore1FL Mar 2016 #68
Anyone who says that before the game's over doesn't get sports Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #21
Play a lot of ball did you, Lizzie? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #26
Former Cat 1 bike racer. You? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #32
No scoreboards in bike racing. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #34
LOL. You've quite obviously never been to a bicycle race. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #40
YIKERS!!!!!!!!! pangaia Mar 2016 #53
Allow me to draw your attention... Scootaloo Mar 2016 #79
My, don't you look stupid now? LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #103
I'm pretty sure Lizzie doesn't play sleazeball. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #36
A Madden Football Pro speaks. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #54
^ This, he is way behind. JRLeft Mar 2016 #69
Spoken with the confidence beedle Mar 2016 #70
-911 dchill Mar 2016 #84
My reaction as well Mufaddal Mar 2016 #38
The more people get to know her, the more they get to know her. Octafish Mar 2016 #102
I'm pretty sure you're alone in this theory... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #2
... and that's why he's winning. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #12
Do you have an answer now? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #49
"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'communications skills' is. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #93
Wait a minute. There's a difference between the Reddit crowd and SJWs? Who knew? LonePirate Mar 2016 #3
Yeeeeeeah... gcomeau Mar 2016 #4
This has been clear from the beginning firebrand80 Mar 2016 #5
Absolutely. And the comment in the OP that Sanders campaign seems to be run by members of the Number23 Mar 2016 #80
I agree with one thing you said here... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #97
Yeah, it will be taught. As how NOT to run campaign. Number23 Mar 2016 #100
I can't speak for all Bernie supporters zalinda Mar 2016 #6
You may claim he is "terrible" but professionals disagree, strongly. GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #7
Record fundraising Mnpaul Mar 2016 #90
Bernie is too nice. John Poet Mar 2016 #8
Thanks for your concern. nc4bo Mar 2016 #10
I give you an F on that one, Hillary troll BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #11
Calling the poster a troll (violation, but no DU jury would ever support it), put on ignore. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #15
What are you, that poster's assigned security? Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #27
And look who's intervening on behalf of BernieforPres2016 Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #29
I think I can point out who the poster is... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #50
I disagree. H2O Man Mar 2016 #14
Member since Jan 28, 2016 PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #16
BernieforPres2016 has been here for 2 weeks. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #19
If I see troll posts from him. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #25
LOL! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #28
Speaking of yourself? PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #30
"I know you are, but what am I?" Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #31
Done PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #33
He stayed in VT too long, he should have gotten around before wanting to be prez. He's not doubt not YCHDT Mar 2016 #20
Lol, thanks for your analysis! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #23
Hillary used her excellent skills to fully explain that she and her God opposed the very idea of Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #24
That's the problem of creating an atmosphere in which any criticism BainsBane Mar 2016 #35
Great post. Perceptive and astute. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #37
Is this the "Oscars"? Downwinder Mar 2016 #39
Huh. I guess he hasn't won 8 states and tied two others after all. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #42
Oh my! His bad communication skills sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #43
I strongly disagree. SamKnause Mar 2016 #44
so is this the meme of the day then? Trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #45
Tad Devine specializes in losing presidential elections MaggieD Mar 2016 #46
Isn't Hillary 0-1 timmymoff Mar 2016 #99
I agree with your criticisms... TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #47
Yes, candidates who struggle with "tone, communication, packaging and messaging" Maedhros Mar 2016 #48
They also lose entire demographics by 50 points. forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #59
Well, he's campaigning in the face of a Clinton propaganda hurricane Maedhros Mar 2016 #62
SJWs? Single Jewish Women? Sturdy Japanese Woodworkers? Soulful Jamaican Winemakers? tularetom Mar 2016 #51
SJW = Social Justice Warrior DebbieCDC Mar 2016 #52
Thank you, I googled it tularetom Mar 2016 #55
I think you're right. yardwork Mar 2016 #56
You think Hillary is good at messaging? Vinca Mar 2016 #57
If the message is "Hate me". mhatrw Mar 2016 #64
Ha! DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #88
Wrong! zappaman Mar 2016 #58
why don't you just come out and say what you want to say ? olddots Mar 2016 #60
You're going to really hate my post below. lovemydog Mar 2016 #73
Even Obama "the Communicator" couldn't work miracles with an obstructive GOP politicaljunkie41910 Mar 2016 #61
Such total bullshit. You can keep exploiting, persecuting and imprisoning minorities as long as mhatrw Mar 2016 #63
Thank you, mhatrw! I'm completely disgusted by the racism and sexism cards... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #82
If you're voting for a person, and not a set of ideas that the person embodies, you're the problem. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #65
You think wrong. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #66
He was supposed to be a 3% fringe candidate, like Dennis Kucinich, now he is at 40%...give the guy.. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #67
We usually elect the best bullshitter, which Bernie is not. nt Coincidence Mar 2016 #71
I hear you. lovemydog Mar 2016 #72
really? dana_b Mar 2016 #74
That is a very shallow argument AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #75
I think you misread that post. lovemydog Mar 2016 #76
Yeah, I finally sent handwritten letter . . . snowy owl Mar 2016 #77
Well, it could also be... Scootaloo Mar 2016 #78
Yes, systemic aspects are significant. However lovemydog Mar 2016 #83
And of course these posts exist in a vacuum, separate from all history. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #85
I assume by "we" you are including those of us who have been here for years and years, unlike silvershadow Mar 2016 #81
her votaries include "Tithead" Marcotte and "It's Not a Crime if You're a Girl *Giggle*" Valenti MisterP Mar 2016 #86
well I sure underestimated how quick Bernie can learn and adapt -_O_- forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #87
Well at least Hillary supporters liked your post Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #91
There are some odious threads like this one where FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #89
Here's a fact about Bernie as a candidate that every supporter of HRC needs to face: LWolf Mar 2016 #92
Your post is nothing but unsubstantiated opinion. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #94
If Bernie Sanders is so "terrible at this stuff"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #95
Seems to be working Armstead Mar 2016 #96
Shortcomings as a candidate? Are you fucking kidding me? pinebox Mar 2016 #98
OK I'm gonna do it. Bye. nt thereismore Mar 2016 #101
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